What If Everything You Know Is Wrong? Brit Elders

What if reality isn’t what you think it is?

In this mind-expanding episode of Cosmic Conversations, Brit Elders joins us to explore the edges of consciousness, perception, and the nature of reality itself.

From UFO encounters and anomalous phenomena to the way we construct belief, memory, and truth — this conversation challenges everything we assume about how reality actually works.

We explore:
 ✨ Consciousness and perception
 ✨ UFOs and contact experiences
 ✨ The Pleiades and Billy Meier case
 ✨ The Phoenix Lights
 ✨ Memory, belief systems, and interpretation
 ✨ Why truth is often more complex than certainty

Rather than trying to prove answers, this episode invites curiosity, reflection, and open-minded exploration of what it means to be human in a multidimensional universe.

💭 Is reality something we discover… or something we construct?

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

It was rounded on the end, but it was a long tube. And it just was massive. And we had stopped to look at it. We were driving, and trucks behind us were going past us, and then they started pulling off to the side of the road. They got out and watched it too. It was, it was just absolutely enormous. Over a four-lane freeway with a massive divider in between. This thing went from end to end plus. It was about the size of two and a half to three football fields in length.

SPEAKER_01 1:09

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SPEAKER_02 4:14

Oh, it's a pleasure. That was a wonderful opening, Hayden. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 4:18

Ah, you're so welcome. It's uh it's interesting to to meet, you know, one of the one of the legends, really. And uh, you know, I've been doing this work for uh quite a while now, and uh, you know, I continuous I I continuously get surprised and amazed by the types of people that I'm connecting with, you know, during this show. So to begin with, can you take us back to your you know your own journey? What first drew you into exploring consciousness, um, non-fiction storytelling and uh the deeper questions of reality I have a very unusual background.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

My father was literally a rocket scientist. He worked with Werner von Braun on the very early missile projects, and so I have that sort of left-brain curiosity about things that he really instilled in me. My mother was an intuitive. So when I was eight years old, she gave me Ruth Montgomery books, Edgar Casey books, and she said, read these so you understand the world isn't confined to one thing, it's expansive, it's huge, and you've got to explore it, otherwise you'll never have fun. Of course, when you're eight years old, you want to have fun. But the more I read these things, the more I thought, wow, this is this is life, this is really how people should think. So it was interesting to me that we look at things from perspectives. And I didn't recognize that until I was going through college. And people that I really appreciated, really thought I knew, thought I was crazy because I believed in things and because I had experienced things that they hadn't. And that's when I started looking at how we perceive and how we acknowledge things in our life and how that taps into our consciousness, or we shut it down.

SPEAKER_01 6:29

That's so interesting. You know, that I can't believe such extremes, you know, really. You've your father being a rocket scientist, and then you know, your mum like getting you to read, you know, The Cosmic Egg by Edgar Casey and books like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:44

It's almost like, you know, as a child, you must have had your mind blasted open to different uh perceptions of reality, and I guess that's probably what shaped, you know, who you've become, and of course what you've been able to experience as well. So, you know, I guess that you know, the from your perspective then, what was there a pivotal moment in your life where you felt you you found yourself completely opened up to a brand new world?

SPEAKER_02 7:18

So many times. Um the first experience I had with a channel, that was even though I had read Casey's books and I'd read Steiner and all of these others, I had not had a firsthand experience. And when that happened, it was like wow. Um the first time I saw a UFO, knowing that it's not a plane, it was daylight, there was nothing I knew of, or my father knew of, and he was with me, um that we could put in the air like that at that time. So all of that sort of sparks a curiosity, and when you allow that curiosity to really dig in, then you've got to get out there and find out. And that's what I did. That's those were things that really made me want to learn more. I wanted to know more about past lives, I wanted to explore the UFO phenomena because it's it is a phenomena that is controversial, but at the same time, there are too many people that have had experiences, that have witnessed things, and we need to take that into consideration. And they're credible people, it's not like they're just some one person, it's just multitudes of credible people, of police, of pilots, of military personnel. And finally we're getting to that point. But when I started all of this, no one wanted to talk about those kinds of things. It was too quiet. It was it was almost haunting because no one wanted to share their experience, and now they do. And that's that's coming so far in just a very short period of time that it really gives me hope that we can move forward with a better view of everything, not just a limited perspective.

SPEAKER_01 9:29

That's beautiful. It must have changed so much, you know, because uh uh we were talking before, you know, we started we started filming today, and I was telling you about how I'd watched Out on a Lynn when I was 14 on my portable TV in my bedroom, you know, really late at night, and I was so inspired by what I'd heard, and it was the first time I'd ever heard about the PADs. And you know, people, you know, I couldn't even go through and tell my parents that I'd been watching it, you know, um, because I was so excited about it. They just like nobody really wanted to know. And um, I used to see lights in the sky when I was during that period actually of my life when I was in my early teens. And um it was something that I couldn't, you know, I I I tried to tell my friends about, but they just thought I was bonkers. But now it's it's everybody wants to talk about it. So it's such a short space of time, really, isn't it, that we've got to this. And why do you think that is?

SPEAKER_02 10:28

I it it's something that seems to have clicked in our psyche. And and like we were speaking earlier, I think Shirley's work, um, and I've got to tell you, Shirley and I have been best friends for 40 years, 40 plus years. I think her work opened a door that let people question. And when you question, then you can get out there and explore. And when she did Out on a Limb, she'd written books prior to that, but when she did Out on a Limb, it was like, oh wow, we can talk about this finally. It took a little while to get everybody where they were comfortable, but they're there now. And they talk about everything from reincarnation to UFOs to um just clairvoyance, clair audience channeling all of this. And she really opened the door to that. And she deserves a lot of credit for doing it.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

I agree, I totally agree. She was a pioneer and uh she made it mainstream and she made people start asking questions um about you know what what was really out there, you know, her journey into the Andes and and and meeting the Pleiadian, um, it it felt so natural really to reflect on that story, and it opened up so many possibilities within myself. And I'm sure that this is why I do the work that I do now, is because of that feeling that I got when I when I watched out on a limb. So um it's so interesting. As I'm talking to you, and as you were talking to me, then I got this very, very strong um sound frequency buzzing through my ears. It was like it was, you know, you know, like when you go into an echo chamber or there's there's something where there's reverberations going on around you. And so I could I almost could feel a the a sensation of of them being around me as we were talking then. It was something like I'd not experienced before. Um a vibrational shift. Yeah, it was it was very real, you know, and it's gone now, but it was it it sort of went right through me. So I don't know what what that means, but I've never experienced that before. I I sort of said to you that I felt like the, you know, as soon as I saw your face, actually, I felt like I'd I knew I knew you in some way. So I don't know whether we're like cosmic family or or or whatever that is. Um but you know, over the course of your work, you have a definition of truth, you know, and uh and how that definition has evolved with dealing with human experience and perception. So, you know, how do you think that definition of truth, you know, has evolved?

SPEAKER_02 13:20

Oh boy, has it ever evolved? Um I used to think that it's like right and wrong. There's right, there's wrong, there's truth, there's not truth. And then I came to understand that everybody finds within themselves their own level of truth for where they are in their own growth patterns. I did a wonderful investigation, was part of a great investigation on the Billy Meyer case. However, I have my truth about what all of that is, but I can't tell you what to believe. You have to find your own level, and that allows us the opportunity to grow. If someone tells me, oh, this is real, I've got to find out why. I have to find out for myself. But if they say, Here is what I've found, I approach it differently, I approach it with a more open mind. So I think truth to every individual is a little bit different. Um just taking reincarnation and past life experiences. When you talk to people that have undergone past life recall, or when you talk to someone who doesn't quite understand that that's a possible thing, you start comparing it to religious backgrounds and things like that, people begin to see that there could be a correlation, and so it's something that's more gentle coming in, and truth has to come in gently to be fully understood. It it's not something you can just smack somebody upside of the face and say, believe it, because they won't. So let it come in gently, um, but uh let it be where you need to be. If if you don't want to believe in reincarnation right now, that's fine. That's absolutely fine. If you don't want to believe in UFOs, that's fine too. But don't tell me I can't. Let me have my own experience because I think everything is experiential.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

I would agree. You know, so when you saw that UFO then with your father that day, did you both experience that same incident from a different lens?

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Yes. My dad said, where would we land it? It's too big. And it makes no sound. So how come there's no sound? He looked at it strictly from an engineering perspective. I looked at it with wonder, with awe. I went, oh my God, that's beautiful. That was my reaction to it. I didn't care where it could land, how come it made no sound? I just knew it was something really special. And I didn't want to take my eyes off of it because it was so unique. So he looked at it from a very rigid perspective, and I was looking at it saying, Oh my gosh, this is great. When we talked about it later, he couldn't quite get to the place I was because he was still trying to analyze it. But that was okay with me because he needed to be where he was to understand it on his level. I needed my level.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

So, in a way, it's a really good example of your truths being very different, even though you were seeing the same thing. You both had a different interpretation. Did you did you both believe that it was otherworldly? Yes. You did.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Yes. I I definitely believed it was an off-world vehicle. And my dad knew that we couldn't develop something like that. So he knew that it came from someplace else, too. And he was okay with that. Um, they had had conversations, of course, as an engineer working on the early projects. What else is out there? What else is is something that we need to be aware of? What else is going to affect us? So they had had these conversations. He wasn't um shocked by it. He just couldn't rationally put it together in his engineering mind how it would work.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

What did it look like, Britt? Was it was it uh saucer-shaped, traditional, or was it a triangular shape?

SPEAKER_02 18:02

No, it sort of was rounded on the end, but it was a long tube. And it just it was massive. And we had stopped to look at it. We were driving, and trucks behind us, they were going past us, and then they started pulling off to the side of the road, and they got out and watched it too. It was it was just absolutely enormous. Over a four-lane freeway with a massive divider in between. This thing went from end to end plus. It was about the size of two and a half to three football fields in length.

SPEAKER_01 18:43

That's colossal. That's colossal. It just reminds me of Steven Spielberg's closing cows of the third kind. Yeah, kind of, yeah. Yeah, but uh but my grandfather was a member of Bufora. Um, so he Yeah, this was back in I think the 40s. And he used to talk to me and my sister when we were kids. Um, we all used to pile into grand grand uh dad's and nana Doreen's bedroom, and he'd tell us all about like these stories of cigar-shaped objects and saucer-shaped objects that he'd he'd seen in the skies. So I suppose, in a way, you know, my um mind was opened up to you know, you know, all possibilities from a very early age. And so the one that you're describing sounds like, you know, that sort of uh cigar-shaped.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Do a lot of people uh do they call them the tic-tac? Is it was it like was it like the tic-tac one? Or was it?

SPEAKER_02 19:36

No, because it was only it was only rounded on one end, okay, but it was flat on the other end, which was unusual.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

So interesting for your father as well, being a rocket science scientist, to be able to see something like that. It must have really baffled him because he he would be like working on the cutting edge of of you know, sort of technology, and then all of a sudden, you know, he's seeing something there that is um, you know, completely futuristic.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Just trying to put it into a schematic in his mind. And then when we got home, he started drawing it out on graph paper, so he knew, you know, okay, this proportion was here to here. How could it fly? How come it made no sound? It didn't have wings, there was no engine that he could detect. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Is that the only time that you'd seen something like that? Or have you had a a history of seeing them? So how have they changed your your UFO sighting experiences? Have you had a a close encounter of the third kind? Have you been on board a ship?

SPEAKER_02 20:42

No, I haven't. I would love to, but I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

So how did they develop then? So what what other types of craft uh um have you have you seen during the course of your life?

SPEAKER_02 20:55

Um in Mexico. Seen Mexico is a hotbed of sightings. But we've been present when um they had big delta wing ships come over, the small little orbs, uh typical disc-shaped craft. It's literally a variety, which I think is great because to me it tells me there's more than one civilization visiting us, and that's good, we have more neighbors. But um I think in Mexico, the thing that affected me the most was there's a hill outside of a town called Ratlisco, and they call it Casita Blanca. That's the name of the hill. The whole town goes up to this hill just at sunset to watch the UFOs because they fly all around the volcanoes, Popo Catapult and the others. They're there every night. They drag grandma, grandpa, the kids, lawn chairs, beer coolers. They sit and have their beer and wait for the UFOs. It is quite a sight.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

What do you think that they believe that they are? Do they know them as UFOs? So they completely open to it. So it's a very different from Western culture, isn't it? They they it is.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

They look at it, one, as part of their history, because the ancient civilizations there, the Maya, the Olmec, Teotewakan, they all believed in the feathered serpent that came from the sky. Um, so it's part of their history. It's also part of their religion. Because to them it's a miracle. And they expect miracles. It's very, very different than how we view things. And they don't care what shape it is, where it comes from, they're not analyzing it, but they're enjoying it.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Wow, that's that's so great that they've got to that level of acceptance of seeing these beautiful crafts. And you mentioned that they come up through Lake Titicaca. So uh do they do you think a lot of them are are going into the inner earth as well as sort of coming down from the stars?

SPEAKER_02 23:25

I'm not sure about that, but I do think that that's possible. I do. I've read a lot of material about it. I've never met a contactee that's talked to anybody from the inner earth, though.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

No, no, I haven't actually. I must admit, I've had people that have explored inner earth through journeying, but not necessarily through, you know, going in through um the spaceships. Because I I know that a lot will uh are seen going up through uh Mount Shasta as well, the silver fleet. They they they sort of go um in through there. So there's there must be certain points around the globe where there is more activity. Do you think that these spots are uh um uh like energy sites or uh portals of sorts?

SPEAKER_02 24:11

I do. I think many of them are vortexes. Um I also think that there are ley lines that are like frequency highways for the craft to follow. Um I know that in Spain there's there's a whole group of ley lines, and people walk at the Campistola, the Camino. But what happens is we also find the UFOs traveling these ley lines, and that makes it very interesting to follow what that could be about. They seem to be very attracted to deep water, to volcanoes, to anything that the earth is creating in a way that um sort of charges energy. Like when you're around a volcano, even if it's not erupting, there's an energetic pull there. You can feel it. It's the same when you're over deep water. So I think that they have an attraction to that. I'm not sure why. I know in Mexico, at Popacatepital and at Kalima both, we've seen these objects fly into the crater, even as it erupts. We've seen them come out, we've seen them fly around it. Uh, we took a helicopter up to Popacatepital one time, and it was the oddest thing because we could not get the helicopter close to the crater. I mean, it would go so far, and it was a military chopper. Go so far, and it would stop, and they'd back up and try to go in a different direction. We never got over the crater.

SPEAKER_01 25:59

It's almost like an electromagnetic force field or something that's dropping you. So electromagnetics maybe is is is is one of the energy frequencies that they're working with to try and um go in and out of because really what I th what I feel that they're doing is they're they're multi-dimensional. So they are slipping in in between the different dimensions of of consciousness, and they're able to do that with ease and grace. Whereas like when we try and do it, like you know, as a as a human in a sort of like a 3D uh spacecraft, it's it's you know it's like impossible you'll come up against that sort of resistance. Um so how much of I think oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. Carry on.

SPEAKER_02 26:44

Oh, I I think we have both physical craft that can materialize in the physical form here. And I think we also have the interdimensional forms. Um, I know working with the American Indians up here, they believe most of them are interdimensional. However, they do say that physical vehicles also have come to their people and taught them things. So I think that this is something when you look into the history around the world of all the ancient cultures, they all sort of say the same thing. We have two variations here. We have the physical side, somehow they manifest and can travel from point A to point B, and we have the more ethereal, interdimensional side.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

The ones that are more like um Mercuba star uh spaceships. They're they're the more interdimensional ones. But then they've got the physical ships as well. Um, a lot of people that you know I've been speaking with that have been, you know, sort of taken on board spaceships, they they often describe them in very, very different ways to me. You know, some say it is, you know, quite a physical experience, others say that it feels more energetic. And right so I I again I do you think the type of person that experiences the different sorts of um UFOs depends on on their frequency and their belief systems, um, or do you feel like um there's no pattern to it?

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Yeah, I think what you know and the energy you hold within your heart, I think that has a lot to do with how someone perceives what happens. Um I've worked with contactees and abductees. Abductees are very interesting because so many of them, when I sit down and talk with them, they don't really feel like they've been abducted. They don't feel abused. So that word abduction has such a negative connotation. They feel like somewhere either they saw a craft and they walked towards it, so they invited a contact. They're not sure what it is, but they don't feel abused, which I find is really wonderful. Contactees know that they're open to it and they want to have a discussion. So I think what your your knowledge base is and how you move that forward is how you perceive what it is you're experiencing. I'll tell you, I would love to sit down with more and more contactees, and more are coming out now and talking about it, because they're all expressing sort of an energetic shift within their body. And I think that's really important and something everybody needs to be taking a good long look at right now because I think the earth is going through an energetic shift, I think people are too, but I think contactees are more open and prepared to accept that.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

I agree. It's um it seems to be, you know, I remember when I had these experiences when I was back, you know, in my early teens, I remember having telepathic conversations with whatever lights I was seeing. Uh, and they would say to me, Well, we're always here, but it depends, you know, on what frequency you're on, whether you can see us or not. And at that time, my frequency must have been really dialed in because I was just kind of seeing them all the time, like just lights in the sky flipping on and off, and they'd go from white to amber. And but I've never forgotten those lights, you know. But I I can't see them anymore. So I something must have shifted in me that's either, you know, sort of made my frequency lower or something. I'm not sure. Um, maybe just becoming an adult, I don't know. But I um I've never I've only ever seen so. Don't you think?

SPEAKER_02 31:01

I I I better interrupt you here. I'm sorry, but I think what happens when we're at that age, especially, we are so open, we're awestruck by this. It's so beautiful and wondrous. And then I hate to say it, we become educated. And in the process of being educated, that that wonderment of life somehow gets set aside. Um, we've had the same experiences. We'd be talking about the Pleiades and Bing, we'd have a shooting star. It was great, happened every time. And then we got into the busy side of life and it went away. So if you can maintain it, it is like a childlike center, but it's that real deep connection to heart and spirit. I think all of it'll come back. You'll walk outside and you'll have lights again.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah, I believe that. I I I definitely do see, you know, those shooting star moments. So I took my sister and her her girlfriend out into the park opposite us, and I was uh I'd been going through um a phase where I was going, you know, this is my location, you know, this is what I you know, I'd like to see you. And I was seeing stuff, and so I thought, well, I'll take them out as well because like I want to demonstrate that that there are lights there. Um they did, you know, as soon as we started talking about it, this shooting star just went whoosh like that, and we all went, ah, like that. And we all sort of knew, but then we were we all sort of was we're like, no, maybe it was just a coincidence, but you sort of know that's the education, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

It is, it's amazing, really. So when Shirley McLean saw this Pleiadian went, you know, in Out on a Limb when she was in the Andes, um, he very much presented himself though in human form, didn't he? So was he a hybrid?

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Yeah, he said he was. He was a hybrid, but he was the like I was telling you earlier, when Shirley wrote out on a limb, she took three contactees and merged their stories because they all had something powerful and wonderful to say. Uh her experience in the Andes at Machu Picchu, especially in the hot tub, that was one of the most profound things. She had never had an out-of-body experience until that hot tub experience. And that's when she saw the silver thread and she realized the body is just the vehicle, the sphere goes on and on. She understood at that point. The extraterrestrial side of it had fascinated her since she was a kid. When she was a kid, she wanted a telescope more than anything else because she felt like she had to find her family out there. So that's something that has always she's always been drawn to and always been very open and receptive to. Physical form, she wasn't even sure. Because is it a manifestation of energy? Is it an actual physical as we think a physical being, or is it just a connection with an understanding on a consciousness level that is so advanced that we haven't quite reached it yet? She had a lot of different discussions. We have had a lot of different discussions about what that really was.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

I can imagine. I I remember that that scene of her in the hot tub, and she was staring at the candle, and she was trying to become one with the candle, and all of a sudden, whoosh, and that silver thread. It's interesting because I listen to a lot of near-death experience um videos, and a lot of them, when they're being brought back into their body, they they also they they make make mention of this silver cord that kind of attaches the etheric body to the physical body. Um, and when it snaps, that's when, you know, see yeah, yeah, you've you've lost you know your physical body. But um I suppose, you know, with you know, with Shirley and and and the and that um Pleiadian um, you know, a lot of people do tend to interpret Pleiadians as being these almost beautiful sort of blonde Adonises, you know, that are very Nordic looking. Um but it's not that's that's not actually really what the Pleiadians look like, is it?

SPEAKER_02 35:48

Well, it depends. If you talk to Billy Meyer, that is what they look like.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_02 35:54

When he met Semyasa, she walked out from behind the spacecraft. She was tall, thin, blonde, blue-eyed, um, looked very, very human. But then I have talked to others who say that they don't look so much like us and that they don't even have a physical form, that they manifest a physical form. So I don't know. Billy believes that all of the ones that he met with were very physical. He saw the craft. I mean, he has all the evidence and everything, too, to support that the photographs, the sounds, the metal, everything. But then other people have had other experiences. And as an investigator, I can't judge either. I have to judge what I know to be true. But I have to listen to everyone because there's always so much information coming through. And I think we've got to get past the point of trying to prove these things exist and just allow the experience to happen.

SPEAKER_01 37:05

That's a really valid point. Instead of always analyzing things too much, you know. And because this is where I think the confusion lies for a lot of people, because there's there's people, you know, out there that are saying, you know, this is um it's all fan fantasy, you know, with regards to the way that they're portrayed. And then others that say no, like Billy Meyer, that you know, they are these beautiful Nordic looking. And so you don't know what to believe because unless you've had your own encounter with them, you're like, well, I'm not sure. You know, I mean, I I developed my own cosmic family oracle card deck, and I've portrayed the Pleiadians as being those beautiful, you know, sort of blonde-haired, blue-eyed beings, because that's what I want them to be like, you know, the Pleiadians, you know, I sort of imagine that they have this sort of this this beauty about them. Um, but then I suppose I'm a you know, I'm a I'm a Libran, you know, and I'm I'm a bit of a fantasist. So I I would go down that road. Um, but you know, what drew you into uh Billy Meyer's body of work in the first place? What like why did you become so entrenched in that?

SPEAKER_02 38:18

No, it was a seven-year investigation. We had a company at the time called Intercept, and we traveled the world. We worked with Fortune 500 companies and a lot of big, big corporations, and we kept them from being eavesdropped on and wiretapped. A friend of ours, so it was an investigative company, but a friend of ours, a retired Air Force colonel, came to us and said, You got to check out this UFO case. UFOs were the furthest thing from our minds at that time, and we said no. Then he went to Switzerland and he came back and he says, It's truly amazing. We had a company thing to do in London. We decided to fly on into Switzerland. We met with Billy, we spent, we were gonna just spend one day. We were there a week. We picked up photographs, inner negatives, movie footage, sounds of the craft, metal from the skin of the craft. We interviewed witnesses, and we spent hours with Meyer. And he said, take it all back to the United States, analyze it, and see what you come up with, and let me know. That's all he wanted was somebody to take a look at the evidence. That began seven years of an investigation that went all over the United States, into Japan, into Europe. I it was really something. I mean, it was phenomenal. But the thing that interested me about it and that really caught my attention was what the Pleiadians had to say. Because they had face-to-face conversations with Billy, and when he would leave a contact, he would go home, he would take notes, get it all written down, he kept it in books. The thing that was so intriguing to me was they kept saying, Your forefathers and our forefathers are the same. We all come from the same place. We had problems on our planet, we destroyed it, we had to go engineer a planet. We worry about you because you don't have the capability to go to a new planet and engineer it so it can support life. So they had these wonderful little sayings, and when you really got into the contact notes, they were really quite beautiful. They were talking about a spiritually developing person and how they see truth and beauty and everything. And they don't question, they rely on their heart, they rely on their that consciousness of spirit that carries them forward. They talk about creation, they don't use the term God, they use the term creation because they say it exists in everything, literally. So I got into the notes. Um Lee, my husband, was completely into the metal and the analysis going on there. We couldn't find any scientists that would come out and debunk this. We were at Scripps Institute, we were at JPL, we were all over the place. We worked with television networks like Nippon Television to try to find some way that the movie footage had been hoaxed. We were at the University of Arizona looking at photographs and digitizing them. There was just no credible scientist that came out and said, I can duplicate this. So what do you do with it? At that point, we decided to put it in a book and let everybody make up their own mind. So we did books and we did uh documentary films and we put it out there for everyone. We don't want to tell you what to believe. We just want you to read and make your mind up.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

I think that's a great way to do it because then again, you know, people are finding their own truth, aren't they, through through their own experience. But I love what you've just said about what stood out to you most and that um information that we're all from the same place, you know, we there is no separation. So, you know, it goes back to unity consciousness, living more through the heart and and just really the basics of compassion and an unconditional love and divine love. And um, I think that's that's beautiful that you know, through all of that that seven years of of research that you know that that really it come it came back down to something so simple and so so meaningful, especially for you know what's happening on the earth right now. I mean, the Pleiadians must be sort of looking at us, shaking their head, yeah, feeling really disheartened. Yeah. Um, but they can't intervene, can they? They can't really intervene unless we because we've got free will. Do you think that's shifting now? Do you think that that they're almost having to um intervene?

SPEAKER_02 43:26

No, I don't think so, but I think yeah, I don't think they're intervening like we would normally think of oh, they're gonna stop a war or stop this or stop that. I do think that they're sort of sending more messages out to people that to get in your own center, to get in your own harmony and stay there. Because if you're there, it affects everything and everyone around you. They in in turn, they get in their own harmony, in their own space. Of centeredness. And that becomes something that is shared. I mean, that's how communities should work. But you've got to get there and you've got to stay there and not be subverted by all of the stuff going on on the outside that really doesn't mean anything. It's what happens here that's important.

SPEAKER_01 44:23

Yeah. So, you know, when you approach a case like this as a researcher, where there's so much like layered material, um how do you still sort of maintain your discernment and and critical thinking?

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Well, when there's physical material, you have the material analyzed by people that know what they're doing. Uh, we would never decide, well, we're gonna analyze the metal. No, we took it to IBM, we took it to Marcel Vogel, held 32 patents at IBM, we took it to MIT, we were all over the place with this material. Let the experts determine what they can duplicate, how they would do it, or if they could do it. None of them could. So the evidence stands on itself. The difficult part is when you, as an investigator, present that and try not to taint it with how you feel personally. The great thing about the Meyer case is it's a beautiful case all the way around. So we didn't have to sort of put that little wall in between personal feelings, and that's what it was. It could just stand on its own. We have been involved in cases that they're not that beautiful. Um, one particular abduction case that took place in in Charleston was really rough on this poor man. And it was a conflict he had between his religion and then seeing something that he could not define. So that to him, it crushed him. And he had been abducted. When he came back, he just wanted to take all of the material they had given him and they had given him evidence, and he threw it in the river. He didn't want anything to do with it because it frightened him. To him, there was no beauty in what he was experiencing, but then you have someone like Travis Walton, who, even though he was abducted, he's okay, he has no conflict with anything, and he finds it an enlightening experience, contrary to the movie they did about him.

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Yeah, yeah, fire in the sky.

SPEAKER_02 46:46

Yeah, exactly. I saw that.

SPEAKER_01 46:48

He looked terrified in that film.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Exactly. And he wasn't. If you talk to Travis today, he goes through the experience of being taken on board. Yes, they did talk to him. They told him to be calm and all of that. They did take skin samples, things like that. And when they dropped him off, he didn't know where he was. That was more frightening to him than being on board the craft. And Travis is a wonderful person, and he still talks about his experience in the hopes that it will alleviate some of the fear that so many people have gone out and promoted on the subject.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Good for him. I think that's right. You know, when it when the narrative is fear-based, it doesn't serve the collective at all. I think it in that and that's why, you know, really mainstream media, you know, has a lot to answer to because you know they do install this sort of impending doom on on, you know, like when they when they arrive, that there's going to be all sorts of war. And and actually that that's exactly the opposite that I know, you know, to be the truth, that they're just guiding us and wanting us to survive and thrive.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

And uh how do you control people? You control them through fear. And if you let that fear loose, if you just realize you're fine being who you are and looking into things you want to look into without fear, you learn so much more, and you can expand your horizons just forever and ever. And it makes it a wonderful experience, then rather than something of being always withdrawn and withholding because you are afraid of something. Fear is the biggest enemy we have on this planet, and it's usually self-created.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

It's very true. For a while, you know, I worked in uh the media uh for the mirror group newspaper um for a tabloid TV company called Live TV, and I was put on a show, believe it or not, called the uh The Wi-Files, and it was investigating people who'd had uh UFO experiences. I was a researcher on the show, you know, as if by magic. Um, and uh I I was speaking to a lot of people, you know, uh that had been abducted, and I researched quite a lot of cases during that time, like uh the Salisbury Hill incident where there were three women uh that got abducted through the roof of their car. And um there was lots of others that were happening in around Wiltshire at the time as well, um, you know, where the amber gamblers were appearing and people were, you know, being taken on board spaceships left, right, and center. This was like really back in the 70s and the 80s, I think, you know, a lot of these cases were taking place. And I was listening to the stories of these people that were, you know, convinced that they'd experienced these things and I believed them so wholeheartedly. Um, but the rest of the team that I was working with were all like, Hayden, they're all bonkers, you know, and I I just knew that they weren't. Um, so I can understand how you know it's it's like it's for the for a large majority of people, they're they're probably never gonna get their head around the fact that these experiences are real and that they're happening to, you know, to more people than you can ever possibly imagine. Um, but at the same time, I'm very hopeful, you know, like like you are, you know, that that the collective consciousness has shifted so much now that we are starting to perceive so many more things that lay beyond the veil and uh an opening up to you know that sort of reunion of our cosmic families.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

Yes, yes. Um, a reunion would be so wonderful with all of the cosmic families because I think there's so many. I mean, even Billy said there were 105 different civilizations visiting Earth, and this was back in the 70s. I'm sure there's more now. Uh, just from the varieties of ships that are seen and the experiences, varieties of people. I think we have quite a neighborhood, and unfortunately, we don't know our neighbors well enough, and we should, because there's always something to share. It's it's uh I don't think it's wise for us, especially when we're talking about going back to the moon, our astronauts just got back, and we're talking about going even further into space, to not be aware of what else is out there is not the way to approach any future from this planet out. One of the things that concerns me most is so many of the governments out there, when they release information, they release it tainted with fear. And again, that fear aspect has the tendency to make people want to pull back, which is unfortunate because we're at a time where our consciousness and the frequency of the planet and the people on it is ready to be opened up, is ready to expand. So when I hear somebody sitting in a congressional hearing making a statement that, oh, you know, we have to be very careful because they're gonna come take us all, I always have to go back to look throughout history. These civilizations who were here eons ago, they had interactions, they weren't taken away. When I talked to the mayor of the little town I was telling you about at Lisco in Mexico, and I said, Are you afraid of this? I just had to hear his answer. And he says, No, if they were gonna hurt us, they would have done it a long time ago. Yeah, that's the logic.

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Yeah. And even, you know, the case that you mentioned where that the chap that was abducted that was, you know, did find it quite traumatic. Um, yeah, that it wasn't their agenda in the first place to traumatize, but I think a lot of the certain types of galactic races aren't aware of human emotion or the extent of that. So they probably didn't even realize that it was going to create that that ripple effect in the person that they're taking. But I think it goes back to their intention, doesn't it? That they they have no um ill agenda, even a lot of the the reptilians, you know, the drapanians and that a lot of them are are friendly as well. You know, there's always good and bad in every every race, but you can't categorize, you know, a whole culture, a civilization of of beings to be evil when when clearly that they're not. I mean, we're seeing quite a um a surge of chat um people channeling, claiming to channel the galactics. Uh, do you what's your stance on that? How do you feel about some of that information that's coming through? Do you feel like it's all genuine or do you feel like some of it's disingenuous?

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 54:19

Um, that's a judgment call, really. The genuine versus not. It's I think there's value in everything that's coming through. I can't verify the source is galactic or not. Um I can only listen to what is said and what resonates with me, then I can understand. If it doesn't resonate with me, I can ask questions and try to understand it. But that's about all I can do. I really can't make a judgment on it. First of all, it's not fair because I don't know the source, I haven't had the experience, and the only thing I can do is learn from it. So that's that's a position I take on something like that is what am I going to learn from it? When I learn something, my goal is not to just hold it for myself. I want to share it. If we don't share, if we don't start expressing ourselves with each other like you do on your podcasts and I do through my books and documentaries, then we're not going to grow. So if we just can approach things a little more openly, calmly, learn from it, and then share that learning, no matter what form you share it in, it's going to be helpful.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

I love that. Uh and I think that you know it helps me to feel more comfortable with you know some of the stuff that I've started doing as well. Because I I literally over the last, it's only been the last two or three months, I've started um channeling. Um, and and what I feel is the Androm the Andromedon Council. So I've documented it all on my channel. And you know, you can see, you know, I'm very um doubt, you know, doubtful initially. And the the more I go through it, the more I'm starting to uh like almost believe myself. It's so interesting to go through this cathartic journey. And a lot of people are finding value in some of the information that's coming through. And I know that it's you know, but I guess then, you know, you hear other people like, for example, uh I'm gonna be interviewing a chap called Anthony. Um, he wrote this book. Um, I don't know if you've heard of him before, uh, Kalisk Path to Thhuban. And he he's um he channels the reptilians, um, but he gets he gets taken over by them. I don't what's that form of channeling called when the body gets sort of taken over?

SPEAKER_02 56:55

Yeah, I know what you're talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

And he he was saying that a lot of the you know, a lot of the um the new channelers that are out that are channeling the galactics are it's actually the higher channel. Yeah, chance channeling, yeah. He's saying that they're they're channeling their higher self, it's not the galactics at all. And of course, you know, I was like, oh my god, you know, so like here's me putting content out that I'm you know feeling is coming through from the Andromeda Council, but then I'm like, well, how do you wait a minute, wait a minute?

SPEAKER_02 57:24

Let's play with that for a minute. Okay, and and when I say play with it, I mean literally that. What if you have had a past life in the Andromeda Council? What if the information is coming through you from that past life? Whatever information is coming through is of value, and if it's touching someone, it's opening them, it's letting them be more curious, letting them grow. If we are going to expand consciousness, sometimes you can't question what the source is and just let it flow, let it be there, especially if it's hopeful. If it's something that's negative, you know the difference between a positive and negative. So if it's hopeful, just let it be. Don't question its source and let it develop by itself. I think you'll find that um you'll learn a lot, and so will everyone else that's around you and exposing themselves to this information.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

Yeah, thank you for that. No, I think it's uh it's a it is definitely a um a journey of like unfoldment and um almost like a way of moving out of doubt and more into faith. It feels a finally overcoming a lot of the doubt. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:55

Knowledge, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:58

So you've um you know it's it's so interesting talking to you about, you know, the you know, the Billy Meyer case and the and and and the Pleiadians and um, you know, a lot of the other galactic races that are around, like the Arpturians and the Syrians and the Orions and the Hydeans and all of the different galactic races. Do you feel of a particular affinity to any of the galactic races specifically? Do you do you feel like you're a starseed yourself?

SPEAKER_02 59:30

Uh I do. I I kind of feel that connection out there. Um, but Arcturus is the one that I feel very connected to. Yes. I always have. It's uh since I was a kid, that was a star that fascinated me. I just wanted to know more and more and more about it. Don't know why, but I feel that connection, so I just honor it and let it be.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

So, what do you know about Arcturus then? I have you done quite a lot of research in into that and why you feel that connection?

SPEAKER_02 1:00:03

I researched into the history of it because it's here in Arizona where I live, the Hopi Reservation is a couple hours away, Navajo, a couple hours further. They all have connections to Arcturus, the blue star cochina. I worked with Lakota. I'm part Cherokee. My dad was Cherokee and Choctaw, my mother was Danish. So I've got that history going. And so I did this research, and that I think is where it all came together for me with this connection with Arcturus, that it has been here forever, that they are benevolent, that they are energetic, that they don't necessarily need a physical form or to manifest in a physical form. They're educators, they're teachers, they want us to be better, but they want it not just on the physical side of life, which we have a tendency to get locked into the material world. They want us to grow consciously, they want us to grow and develop spiritually, but not from the standpoint of saying my religion's right and yours is wrong, that kind of thing. But spiritually of understanding all that is because it's part of you, it's part of creation, you're a part of creation, so that's how they have imparted information, and not only in the American Indian tribes and the Canadian indigenous people, but also in South America, and I've spent a lot of time in South America, and they have the exact same legends and lores about the Arturian visits as we have up here in the north.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:01

That's beautiful. I actually use um Hopi techniques to map the soul's journey as it descends on the earth from the higher dimensions and the different constellations as well. Um, in my the reports that I create for people. Because I'm I spent like really love um delving into galactic origins and um and also where souls have incarnated in as well, you know, so not just the origins, but I feel like most people you know have this fascination with you know where their soul originated from after leaving source consciousness and also other systems that they may have incarnated in as well, because it's almost like what shapes the individual's purpose in life and their mission as well. And the Hopi, you know, uh were just so good at um, you know, sort of looking at the well, they they actually work with looking at the position of the sun and somebody's astrological natal chart at the time that they're born, and where that's either conjunct or opposite will reveal where the soul actually um had come to the earth plane from. So I find that their wisdom and um is is by far the most reliable, and um I uh I've just connected with it so strongly. The uh it must be fascinating to live in a an environment where you've you know you've got them on your doorstep, but also it's part of your own cultural heritage. This must play a part in obviously who you've become in your lifetime. Do you feel that do you do you feel like you know, without that heritage, you you possibly wouldn't be doing this work?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:42

Wow, that's a great question. I don't know. I'm just such a curious person, but I definitely think my heritage plays a role in it. Um you know, my grandfather, he he didn't talk a lot when he said things, it was really very wise and you paid attention. But it he was always telling us that you have to center yourself and you have to connect to nature. Earth is mother, grandfather's sky, respect them, and you'll be fine. That was how he lived life. And it was, you know, again, a contradiction for my dad, who was the engineer, but yet there was this understanding between them that was really quite remarkable, it was really interesting because my dad, where he'd take a schematic and draw things out and make it work, my grandfather just understood it would work. So again, I had the the blessings of those two consciousness aspects working, and I think both of them helped a lot.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

That's beautiful. Oh, well, you know, I could truly talk to you all day long and pick your brain of all the experiences that you've had along the way. And um, you know, thank you so much for being very open and and um you know wonderful as well with us today. I think everyone's gonna get a lot from this conversation. If there was, you know, one last thing that you know that you would like to say or or offer the people that are watching this video today that's gonna give them hope, you know, as we go through you know these shifts that everybody's aware of, really, that we're going through right now. What would that be?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:38

Be aware of yourself, be aware of your heart energy and how it connects to spirit and be okay with that. Don't push too hard, don't try to know everything. You're never gonna know everything. Just enjoy being in the space you're in and learn all you can from as many different sources as possible. You only serve to help yourself at that point. And always look up. Don't be afraid to take your eyes off the computer, the phone, all the gadgets we have around us, leave the TV alone, walk outside and see the sky and see what's there.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:16

Yeah. That's beautiful. I love that. And it it makes me laugh you saying that look up because if you if you were to to watch me and my husband when we take the dogs for a walk, I'm I'm always looking up at the stars and you know, craning my neck.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:31

He's watching the dog and you're doing this.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

He is, he's looking out for snakes because we live in Australia. Yeah, he's looking to see if the snakes out there. He's got his his flashlight on his phone. And I'm looking up, and I always see the stars moving, you know, and I'm like, that's not a satellite. So you do so much joy from uh from looking up, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

Uh-huh. Very true. Always look up.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:54

So where can people find you, Britt? You know, if they're wanting to connect with the work that you do and uh the books that you've written.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:02

Britelders.com, B-R-I-T-E-L-D-E-R-S.com. You can reach me through the site for email. Um, you can see what I've written. I'm working on a new book with Dr. Lynn Kaiti right now on the Phoenix Lights. She just did a study about how that sighting connected people in ways you can't imagine because it triggered metaphysical, it triggered all of these paranormal events in their lives, and they just found it uplifting and making them feel like they're part of the universe and partly connected to each other. Really remarkable study. Scientific study, it's already been peer-reviewed. Really?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

Scientific study. On the Phoenix Lights. I love that case. It's one of my favorite cases.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:00

Well, Lynn and I are working on a book on it right now.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

Oh, I'm gonna get that book.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:04

We're not doing it from the standpoint of our perspective, we're letting the witnesses explain what they experienced, which is where we can all learn so much from.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:16

Did they all have a very similar experience? Or was that again, was that a shift in perception between the individuals?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

Actually, it's interesting because they all saw the lights, some saw a hard craft, some saw through the craft, some saw a wave around the craft, but the end result, what happened to them afterwards, is what's so fascinating because they all have these amazing experiences. They started being much more cognizant of what was happening in their life, synchronicities. They started lucid dreaming, they started connecting with people and feeling like, wow, you know, I've known you forever and ever, and you're in my life now, and this is amazing. Then they get to talking, triggers off the Phoenix light. So this study goes through and shows how all of these people gain something positive from that mass sighting. It's really remarkable.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:19

Wow. Oh, I can't wait to read that. That sounds amazing. It's so interesting how you know something as beautiful as that can can change people so you know, sort of dramatically, but also as a as a collective. And uh that can happen in Phoenix. Then can you imagine when more ships like that start appearing and how that is going to impact on the collective? It's just gonna have a massive effect. I'm sure 3i Atlas did the same thing. Absolutely sure it did. Um, you know, that would have changed us all intrinsically at a you know at a DNA level.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

Yes, amazing. Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:57

Oh, well, a huge thank you, Britt, again for sharing your insights and your research and you know, your lifelong dedication to exploring the edges of human understanding. You know, for anybody who is watching this podcast, please make sure that you like, subscribe, and follow, and click the bell for future notifications so that you never miss any of up the upcoming episodes of Cosmic Conversations. So until next time, stay open, stay curious, and keep exploring everything that lays beyond the veil. Bye for now.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:29

Thank you, Hayden.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:30

You're very welcome, Brett.