Karen Swain: Two Jesuses, Altered DNA & ET Contact Explained

Join Hayden Crawford on Cosmic Conversations as he welcomes Karen Swain for a fascinating exploration of two expressions of Jesus, altered DNA, and Christ consciousness. ✨

In this episode, Karen shares her personal extraterrestrial contact experiences, including first encounters, emotional and spiritual transformations, and how multidimensional beings communicate their intentions. We dive into the profound ways these experiences influence human evolution, DNA activation, and consciousness expansion.

Discover practical guidance for Starseeds and seekers: recognizing genuine ET contact, staying grounded, and integrating these higher-frequency experiences into everyday life. If you’re on a spiritual awakening journey, this conversation will expand your awareness and inspire deeper connection to the cosmos. 💫

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

There were two Yeshuas, there were two Jesuses, one that was born of the physical Mary. The DNA, like many of the DNA, like our DNA and many of the children that are here, like DNA has been tweaked over time, humanity, but they tweaked the DNA so it he'd have a higher consciousness. His physical form could hold a higher consciousness. And he was the one born to Mary. But when he went off into the desert to meditate, according to the Bible, he just kept traveling and they created this physical form on their planet of a different DNA structure, but a human form. And then a consciousness, a spark of consciousness, inhabited that form and it came in as the Yeshua or the Jesus that was administering the teachings and that was crucified on the cross. And so all those things that were called miracles is what these beings could do on their planet. They had the power of manifestation to turn water into wine and the fishes and the loaves and all that stuff that are miracles and like the holies of holies, and like you know, is kind of like their normal operating system on their ninth category planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

But before we dive into today's episode, I'd like to invite you to subscribe to this channel and click the bell for future notifications so that you never miss one of my podcast episodes of either the numerology show or Cosmic Conversations or indeed some of my transmissions, which will help to activate the next layer of your spiritual awakening. I'm the author of the Star Seed Ascension Guide and the Cosmic Family Oracle Guard, both designed to help you to reconnect to your higher self and remember who you truly are. If you want to dive deeper, we have an online membership portal called the Oversol Codex Collective, where you can join a like-minded group of star seeds from all across the planet as we delve into courses in numerology, color therapy, and cosmic consciousness as well. You can also support this channel by becoming a member either as a Tall Spark or a Codex Keeper. If you're feeling the call to join us together in person, then we also host Consciousness Expanding Retreats in Perth, where you can really start to experience this incredibly immersive work within the community environment. Once again, your support really helps this channel to grow. So thank you for joining this team of galactic light workers from all across the planet, helping to expand consciousness and bring light into the darkness. Welcome back to Cosmic Conversations. I'm Haydn Crawford, and today I'm thrilled to be speaking with Karen Swain, a remarkable experiencer and guide in the world of extraterrestrial contact and cosmic consciousness. In this episode, we'll dive deep into Karen's personal AT encounters, explore the beings that she's connected with, and uncover the insights, messages, and practices that she has received. Guidance that could inspire and empower star seeds and speakers alike. So get comfortable, open your mind, and join us as we journey into the cosmic realms with Karen Swain. So welcome, Karen. It's lovely to have you with me on the show.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Hi, Dan. So great to be with you. Loved that introduction. That was fabulous.

SPEAKER_02 3:54

Oh, you're fabulous.

SPEAKER_01 3:56

You're fabulous. We have to tell people how we met.

SPEAKER_00 3:58

Do you want to tell them?

SPEAKER_02 3:59

Yeah, yeah, actually, it's a really cool idea because it was through the amazing Kevin J. Briggs. We love him, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 4:08

We love Kevin. Love you, Kevin. Shout out to Kevin.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

He is amazing. He's just such a down-to-earth guy, and he's his stories just blew my mind. And you know, straight after I'd spoken to him, I always ask um anybody who comes on my show, like, can you recommend somebody really cool to speak to? And he straight away went, right, Karen Swain, you know, she's the lady with all the answers. So I was like, great, you know, get in contact with you straight away. So how and when did you first experience extraterrestrial contact?

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Bless your heart, Kevin. Okay, so here we go. Are you ready? Yes. I had Grant Cameron on my show last year, and I replayed it this year because I've got a show, a podcast show, like Hayden, called ATP Media, Accentuate the Positive, been showcasing and having conversations with New World teachers for many years. Anyway, Grant talks at a million miles an hour, but a pearl that has just stayed with me flew out of my mouth. It's like you understand this concept, but when somebody articulates it in such a way you can grab it. He said, God doesn't create the heavens and the earth, God creates the sparks of consciousness, and the sparks of consciousness create the heavens and the earth. So when you ask me that question, when did you have extraterrestrial contact? It's all extraterrestrial contact. What people imagine as angels or um spirit guides are all that spark of consciousness that has been created through, you know, that has spun out from the source and has created identity. They could be extraterrestrials that are connected to a planet. They could be uh, well, the word terrestrial talks about Earth, but they could be spirit guides that like we talk about the angels. The angels are those sparks of consciousness that don't necessarily incarnate into a denser physical form. They stay in spirit or they stay as sparks of consciousness connected to all that is, and they can contact us. But what is happening on the earth right now is that so many people have you ever had ever had Ray Hernandez on the show?

SPEAKER_02 6:20

I haven't had Ray Hernandez on the show, but I I I know who you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Well, in his first encounter of um energy orbs or an extraterrestrial, his wife, coming from that very religious background, saw it as God and angels. And this is what a lot of people are doing. They're seeing sparks of light or orbs or encounters, and they have the social conditioning that we have on our earth, on our planet, and they see it through the filter of their conditioning. But really, what who is contacting humanity to help humanity evolve are what we have deemed extraterrestrials or aliens or ETs or whatever you want to call it. They are intelligent life forms that have evolved beyond the human conditioning, that are mentoring, guiding, and stewarding our evolutionary process. So when you say what was my first extraterrestrial contact, I can't really tell you because I didn't understand when I was young that I was, you know, this concept that I was speaking to another form of intelligence that lived outside of the conditioned mind of the human intelligence. But what was happening to me was I was a very curious child, hit the ground running, have explored many life forms on many different planets. When I asked my guides years ago, when I started to really open to the whole extraterrestrial phenomena, and I started to see it through their eyes rather than through the conditioned mind, even though I grew up completely without religion from my family perspective, I still saw life through that religious conditioning of angels and God. And I was pretty agnostic too, but I'm still seeing life through the conditioning of the human mind. I asked my guides, have I been on other planets? And they laughed and they said, Do you think you're any less curious about life in spirit as you are as a human? So I'm a very curious person. I want to know everybody, I want to know everything, I want to know, you know, what happens in that country and what happens there, and how do you do that? And it's the same that curiosity extends to beyond the world. Like, how do other civilizations live? And what's, you know, tell me about a matriarchal society, because as a human I'm used to a patriarchal society. How does that work? And what about this life form and that life form? So yeah, I've explored many different life forms on many different planets, but the um extraterrestrials that speak to me, or the let me call them off-world intelligent, off-world intelligence, are um okay, they're saying Syrian, don't forget the Syrians and the Palladians. But I often talk about the Arcturians because I call the Arcturians the masters of mind. They are stewarding humans into utilizing their brain capacity, their mental capacity more deliberately and with more intelligence. Because here on earth, we have what is called the ego, which is a part of the experience on earth that gives us the free will to think only of ourselves, me. What's in it for me? How can I get what I want? How much are you going to pay me? How can I get everyone else out of the way so I can get what I want? It's a very, it's a very, let me say, like separateness. You feel separate to the world. The ego is the part of us that gives us the illusion of separation. Because who we are as consciousness, as soul, as spirit, is we are one energy. We are all the same energy. We are an extension of source energy. We all are God, we all are source energy. And from that unified perspective, we understand ourselves as a part of the whole. But in this human perspective, we understand ourselves as singular. And so that ego aspect that we have that operates here on planet Earth gives us the ability to create the illusion of separation. And so we're all about me, me, me, me, me. What's in it for me? That's the ego. Do you like me? Do you hate me? You know, do I feel good enough? I feel better than you. It's every thought that we have that creates that separation. And when we re-emerge back into the unified collective, we understand that you are me and I am you. And what I do for you, I do for me, and what I do for me, I do for you. It's a more unified uh perspective. So mum dies, she gets sick when I'm a teenager, and I'm thinking, why is she so sick? I grew up in a tumultuous family. Mum and dad were beating the crap out of each other. You know, dad leaves, he's he's had the mistress, he's had the you know, 20-year-old mistress for five years. So he leaves mum with the kids and he goes off with the mistress, and then they hate each other even more, and then they're using their kids as ammunition to, you know, injure the other party even more. There's just hatred personified, and then she gets sick in her 40s and dies at 50. And so the questions that are that are rocketing out of me, that are shooting out of me, is like, what is all this all about? Like, why? Why do people hate each other and why do people get sick? And then she dies, and where do you go when you die? So, bless Mum. She wasn't particularly enlightened in that lifetime as who she was, but she did give me a DNA structure that allowed me to operate the way I do. Because when you look at her family, she was English, by the way. She had this frumpy little English family, and um, her mother had five children or six children, I think two died. One died in childbirth, and one died with SIDS. And so there were four children, there were three boys and a girl. And and she was the girl. When you look at her, she looks like the family genetic, but she looks totally different. And when I'm talking to people on my show and discovering new things about hybridization programs, I'm scratching my head and I'm like, I wonder if I'm a part of the hybridization program. So I go to my art guides and they said, Of course you are. Why do you think your mother looked so different to the rest of her family? And I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense. And what they said to me was for me to be able to develop the psychic abilities that I have done in this life, they had to tweak the DNA. They had to, you know, be a part of the hybridization program, which is happening to everyone on earth, by the way. Like the new kids coming in have a completely different DNA structure. Well, not different, but a more elaborate DNA structure than we do. And all those psychic intuitive abilities that have been offline are back online. I'm sure you've heard of the telepathy tapes that, you know, kids on the spectrum talking telepathically to each other. They have this super highway of telepathy that they operate on. They don't need the internet, they have their mind. They can just go and speak to anyone on the planet. They have this meeting place called The Hill where they can hang out in their astral form or etheric form and talk to each other and meet people all over the planet. In fact, you don't have to be on the spectrum to do that. Because years ago, Neil Donald Walsh and Stephen Simon made a movie called Indigo about the children that were doing that, the indigo children, not necessarily on the spectrum. And so the masters of mind, the Arcturians, are here helping us develop those capabilities because that is the way that the majority of the universe outside of this Earth matrix operates. They have that agility of mind, they communicate telepathically. I've spoken to the Grays about this, they've shown me how their mind works, and it's mind-blowing. Excuse the pun, like it's mind-blowing. I could go into that. So, in order for us to meet our cosmic neighbors, we really need to get on that evolutionary program to start being more deliberate and more agile and more open with our minds and to release the conditioning of the past. This is what's happening in our world right now. We're releasing all the conditionings of the past, social conditioning, religious conditioning, and we're moving into a new era of expansion. We have to, in order to be able to be a part of the rest of the cosmos, because we've been in a little bubble where the non-interference, I think that's in Star Trek, isn't it? Like there's been a non because we've been in this bubble which allowed us to have the experiences of third 3D, third density, without being interfered by the rest of the cosmos. But that's shifting, we've moved more into a fourth density uh society, moving into a fifth density of society, but we're in this fourth density experience, and fourth density is when we're living outside of time because we're we're operating through thought, through mind. And when you operate through mind, time ceases to exist. If I was to say to you, Hayden, imagine yourself on the moon. Can you see yourself there?

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Oh, yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

How long did that take you?

SPEAKER_02 15:28

A split second.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Right, no time at all, right? That's that's the magic of time. It doesn't exist when you're operating through mind. So yeah, you can project your mind anywhere, which is I think the conversation that you had with um Kevin too. You know, he knew how to do this as a kid. He he when he was on my show, he was saying that he'd go and just have a look at the bus stops with his mind and see which one was less busy. And then once he saw it, he'd go to that bus stop and they're like he was doing, you know, leaving his body and flying behind the bus just because he could, just because I can. It's like, yeah, so Kevin, who's like an ET here on earth, like we all are, really, but with those abilities already tuned up, turned on, you know, is living in this third density experience, this planet Earth, where humans just don't get it. And he's had to keep all those abilities completely secret until, you know, like a decade ago, where he started talking about it. Because we haven't up until now operated like that. So my first experience with extraterrestrials, I would say, was when they were speaking to me as a child and I didn't understand it. I didn't understand that I was speaking to non-human intelligence. I thought I was just speaking to what I called my common sense, and now I very irreverently call the mob. Like I call my guides the mob because when I was in my 20s, I was reaching out to understand psychic ability and I want to meet my spirit guides. I'm sure you've heard lots of I want to meet my spirit guide. It's like as if I have one guide who's speaking to me, which they thought was hilarious. And um, I couldn't do it. I was I was given a tape and a guided meditation. You know, you're walking down a path and you come to a stream, and then you invite someone to come and speak to you, and no one's coming, right? No one's coming. And then I'm saying to the teacher who's given me the tape when I was in my 20s, like, it's nothing's happening. And he's like, Maybe you just can't do it. And the hilarious thing about that was I had been speaking to them my whole life, but I didn't recognize it. Like I just didn't recognize it. And then they thought that I they think I'm hilarious in my human understanding because we're so we're like these little kids, we just don't understand how it all works, and they're laughing at me. And I'm like, what are you laughing at? thinking I can't meet my spirit guides when I've been talking to them my whole life. They said, Karen, you have to understand we have been so many identities, we've been so much. If you want to speak to an identity, pick one and we'll show up as that. And I'm like, hmm, okay. Well, I was like young, and I said, a handsome young man, you know, that's who I'd want to speak to. And then bang, instantly in my third eye, I can see this being standing before me as a handsome young human man, you know, like, does this please you? Is this would you like to speak? You know, like I could have said Jesus or Mother Mary, but I didn't grow up as a religious person, or I could have said, I don't know, an extraterrestrial. But again, at the time I wasn't thinking about that. I was like, who is my spirit guide? And so when I was asking for identity, like who are you? Who are you? Because here on earth we operate through identity, right? I'm Karen, you're Hayden. I understand what you look like, you understand what I look like because we're on Zoom, and I understand that's who you are through through looking at you and speaking to you. But when you're a spirit or non-human intelligence, you've been so many different identities that you can choose to show up as any identity you want to. Like you're an orb of conscious intelligence. And we talk about this from a religious or spiritual perspective, but many eties or non-human intelligence or interdimensional beings are these orbs of conscious intelligence that operate as an energy orb as opposed to a physical body with an identity and a name. And so a lot of the non-human intelligence that people are speaking to through guides are extraterrestrial, what we understand as extraterrestrial or non-human intelligence. And they are, as I say, stewarding humanity into the next phase of consciousness evolution on this planet.

SPEAKER_02 19:57

Wow, that's beautiful. I love the way you just described all of that, and so much to unpack really. Um, I don't know where to begin, actually, but I mean, first of all, I love this this whole definition of the orbs, you know, the the these these almost malleable consciousnesses that can appear as anything, really. And I also love the idea that you know you've kind of um you're communicating with your team and you've define them as the mob. So the mob themselves, then uh, who does that comprise of? Are they are they from different galactic races? Are they the archangels and ascended masters? Who are they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Well, this is the question I had in that understanding, like, who are you? And then they said, you have to understand we've been so many different identities. So they showed me an image of beings, like as if you were high and you were looking down on a crowd, right? You don't see anybody's identity. But from my human perspective, I'm human, I'm in human consciousness, I'm, you know, operating through an ego. I'm seeing a crowd, and I don't see anyone that I recognize, but it's like it's a big mob of people, you know. Australians say mob. The Aboriginals call their family the mob, or they even call their spirit guides the mob. They use the word mob. It's a kind of an Australian. I was talking to uh Rich Martini, who speaks to the other side, hacking the afterlife, and he said, Yeah, the mob, what the mafia, you know, they use the words mob as the mafia. And I said, That's really funny, actually, calling my spirit guides the mafia.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Yeah, how how inappropriate.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

But you see, they're not they're out of identity and they call themselves a stream of intelligence or a stream of consciousness. Imagine this. Imagine all the things that every soul, let's call them a soul, has learnt on earth in all their different lifetimes over eons of time, you know, Lemuria and Atlantis, you know, the eons, the yugas, like they've become enlightened, they've fallen into density again, and you know, the golden age, the dark ages. Imagine all that that people have learned. And experienced and all that information that we're just talking earth, all that information, you could tap into that library of information, that well of ocean of information, that stream of consciousness. It was called in the uh in the Lore of One books, channeled by Ra in the 70s or 80s. He was asked who he is. He says, I am Ra, I am Ra. He said, I am the social memory complex of Venus. So this is the same thing. It's like all that was lived on Venus, all that information and everything. He is the social memory complex. It's so this is what my mob have explained to me about who they are. We are a stream of consciousness. We are like the social memory complex of Earth and other planets to do with Earth. So not just Earth, but Venus and any. So you can tap into spirit guides, ascended master, dead relatives, you can tap into extraterrestrial life, you can tap into anything you want to. It's a social memory complex. Some people call that God. From our very limited perspective, we see this intelligence as mind-blowing. And so therefore it has to be God. But God is the social memory complex of everything, all that is. But that's not what I'm tapping into because that's irrelevant to my experience on earth. I'm tapping into the information that's relevant to what's here on earth. And they've said that all the masters that have walked the earth and who continue to walk the earth tap into that stream of consciousness. They can pull information from that library. I don't know, I'm looking for words, stream of consciousness. And so that's who I call the mob.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

I was speaking to Debbie Solaris uh about a week ago now, and she's talking about a similar thing, the Akashic Records. Is it the same or is it different? And if how does it differ?

SPEAKER_01 24:02

What they're saying is this different level of what we call the Akashic Records is a name that humans have have given for the understanding that there is a record of your life lived. And so when you speak to people that have near-death experiences, they have what's called a life review, and so it's kind of like some people have a book, you know, or a television screen that opens up, and like your life has every minute, every second has been video recorded, and you can look in and see your life from, but you're looking at it from a different consciousness than your earth consciousness, but you're viewing your life because it's been recorded. So everything is recorded in the mind of God, for a better word, in in this stream of consciousness, and there's different levels. So the Akashic Records has been denoted to people that are interested in this life only. Like, I want to know who I was in a past life. Let me go to my book, my Akashic Records, my library, and see what my consciousness or my soul has been doing. But yeah, it's all recorded and you can tap into everything. Yeah, so there's different levels of the Akashic record, but everything is recorded because from when you're outside this matrix of this human experience, we're outside time. So in fact, it gets a bit crazy. It's all happening simultaneously, and there's many probable, you know, outcomes. So there are parallel realities, and every decision creates another reality, and you can tap into all of that. You can see who you were in a past, present, future life. You can meet your soul in a parallel reality, you know, in this life. Um, you can view the parallel realities of past lives like the you know, the universe is not even the limit. There's no limit to what consciousness can do.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

That's right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

And you and I, sorry, it's infinite. And you and I were having a conversation before we started the recording.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

We were indeed, weren't we?

SPEAKER_01 26:05

About your evolutionary process speaking to people on the show, people like Dr. Gale and Debbie Solaris and Kevin and their wild and crazy experiences, and how your mind is expanding. And then you said, I don't know, you know, what to believe. Like, how far do I take this? Is are people just making this stuff up to get views? And you know, you're bumping up against your conditioning, let's say, your conditioning. So, what my guides, okay, what my guides, and I'm gonna say the Acturians, they're piping in and they said, This came from us, okay, I'll give it to you, are saying is when you understand that you are creator beings and that thought creates, consciousness creates, there are no limits to what you can create. So there is nothing that is false, there's no true or false, there is just creation, creation, creation, creation. Belief in this time, space reality, belief creates reality. And so, according to what you believe, whether you believe it on a personal level or you're tapped into the consensus of social belief, you it will create your experiences. And many people will say, but I didn't believe something and then I experienced that. And that will be a condition of your soul, like your soul has a plan that you come here for a reason, and they give you experiences outside of your conscious mind belief, so that you can expand your reality and start to tap into greater and greater um opportunities of knowing who you are as a multidimensional being. So when people are, and and I was telling you, Hayden, that the freshies, you know, the young ones that are having the big, big podcast shows, talking about UFOs and UAPs and non-human intelligence and back-engineered technology and government cover-ups and all that sort of stuff. It seems to be a huge conversation on the internet, which is I'm loving it, right? I'm watching their minds, like the Ross Coulthas, who was a New Zealand-born Australia, grew up, worked in Australia. I think he might have even been born in the UK, lived in New Zealand. But anyway, we we've claimed him as an Aussie. He's like heading News Nation, and he's talking about UAPs and UFOs on a news channel, which is great because it's it's attracting a more mainstream audience. And then I'm watching his mind expand as he's talking to people like Jacob Barber, who's talking to consciousness of ships, and and when he connects into the consciousness of a spaceship, like not even a being, but a ship, uh, he's crying with the love that he felt because he's talking to a spacecraft, like I'm loving this, you know. And Ross Coulthard's mind's just going, Whoa, what else is possible? So we're bumping up against our limiting ideas about what's possible all the time, and we're saying, I'm just making this crap up, you know, is this true? Is this not true? But when you understand yourself as a creator being, there is nothing that's not true. It's just like, what are you creating? And what do you want to create? The Seth books, which are books that I read in my twenties, said that there are only two rules to life, and life meaning life here and life anywhere else, is that one you create your reality and two, there is no limit.

SPEAKER_02 29:30

I love that. I love the Seth books as well, you know, and uh, you know, Jane Roberts and all of that stuff. It's just it was just the foundation of my learning. I was probably a bit like you. I used to head into the metaphysical bookstores, you know, and when I was in my teens and I used to spend all day in there, you know, not I never had any money to buy a book, but I used to just read all that stuff. And um, I think that, you know, you're right, the belief systems really are almost like the filter, like a membrane, which shape our perception of the illusion of the reality that we are a part of. So, really to be able to escape the matrix, it's about reconditioning the belief systems, opening the mind so that we can allow in these, you know, well, uh to remember the truth of who we truly we are. Because why do you feel like it was we had to go through that period? For what purpose do you think?

SPEAKER_01 30:26

It's not like we had to go through that period, it's just a choice. I I'm gonna refer back to what you said. They they shape our perceptions, and perception shapes experience. So, yeah, the belief systems shape our perceptions, and perception shapes experience. Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you will be right. So when you decide what is true and what is not true, it shapes your experience. Like there have been many contactees who have been in a crowd of people and they've seen, physically seen with their outside eyes of craft, and two or three people have looked up and gone, wow, and then half a dozen in the same group go, I can't see anything. Like, what is that? Why can three people see it and the rest can't? So, to the people that can't see it, you're making this crap up. And to the people that can see it, what's wrong with you? Why can't you see it? It's like perception shapes our experience. And um, so what was the question you asked? Why did we have to go through that? We didn't have to go through that. Remember, when you're outside of the physical matrix matrices on whatever planet you're on, you're outside of time, and so everything's existing simultaneously. As a soul who's wanting to expand their experience, and you choose to come to planet Earth, you choose to dive into density to have the experience of forgetting, and then that gives you the journey of remembering. So there's no have-to's in that, there's just the choice that the soul is making. Like I'm I'm gonna be a starseed that has hung out on other planets, and I'm gonna choose to be human, and then I'm gonna wake up and remember that actually I've hung out mostly on other planets, and in our society we operate like this, and I'm gonna bring this wisdom to earth and share it with other human beings, and they're gonna like put me in jail or lock me up, or you know, hang me as a witch, or you know, call me a heretic, or however that works. But there is no have-to's at any of that, there's only want-tos. Uh, I want to experience that, and that's the experience that I'm choosing to have from your soul's perspective. Even if you were hung as a witch or tortured as a heretic or locked up as crazy, there's no damage to the soul. There's just what in you, what are you choosing to do with that experience? If they, yeah. I'm just thinking about someone I knew. Well, I still know her, but I haven't seen her for years. Years ago, she had her spiritual awakening and she was a doctor, very mainstream, kids, you know, doing all that thing. And she started getting all these downloads, and she started having tapping into that stream of consciousness, and she started having just streams and rooms of information coming through her. And her husband put her in a mental assignment, locked her up, just didn't understand it. It was part of her spiritual awakening. And you know, she's moved through that. That happened a long time ago, obviously, divorced the husband, and and she started doing spiritual stuff for a long time, and then she decided, no, I'm gonna go back to being a doctor, I make more money that way, I fit into society better that way. So she made that decision, and then she decided, nope, that's too boring. Like we just get to choose whatever we want to do, and there's no right or wrong in it, there is just experience. But for many of us here on planet earth, you and your audience included, and my audience, like we are a part of the expansion, the shift, the evolution of human consciousness. And so we're daring to have these conversations. What else? What more? What have you experienced? And you know yourself, Hayden. When you hear someone else's experience, whether you believe it or not, it now gives you the permission to have that experience too, because perception shapes reality. And then I bet that since you've started listening to other people's experiences, you've had experiences of your own. Like for me, there are many people I've had on the show, and I have not had their experiences, and many of the experiences I have had, but recently, a couple of weeks ago, I'm sitting in bed watching television, and teleportation is something that I've always been really fascinated, like the beam me up Scotty type thing. Um, my guides have said to me that I've been involved in that in a past or a future life, in another life. I've been a part of implementing teleportation on the planetary structure, whether it was Earth or another planet. And I'm like, okay, because you know, the way we get around the planet has been endlessly frustrating for me. Like cars, really. When I was a kid, I was watching the Jetsons, I'm in my 60s now, and I'm thinking, when I grow up and I'll be in my 20s, I'll have a flying car, you know, I'll have a spaceship. So now I'm in my 60s and we're still driving petrol cars. It's been endless frustration. But the other night I'm sitting watching the television, and I saw these with my outside eyes, I saw these rings of light start to manifest between the end of the bed and the chest of drawers that the television's sitting on, probably about three or four feet in this space. These rings of light that were oscillating and vibrating and moving through each other like this. So they're oscillating, vibrating, and moving through. And it's only about three foot tall. And in the middle of the rings of light is just this blurriness. It's just there's no form that I can see, but I'm watching this with my outside eyes and I'm like, oh wow, something's trying to teleport into my bedroom.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

I'm like, this is cool, and then it went away. So I'm sort of looking, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

That sounds amazing. And you know, and that was a very physical experience by the sounds of it.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Well, I was witnessing because I can see anything with my third eye, but I'm actually witnessing it with my outside eyes, my physical eyes, which was really cool. I thought that was just yeah, it was and um I really don't know who it was. It might have been part of the grays, was small, but yeah, something was. I mean, whether they did manifest in my bedroom and I couldn't perceive them, I don't know, but it they were trying to manifest. But what I do see is I see orbs all the time. I see light orbs. No matter what I'm thinking, they show themselves to me. Even black, I see black sparks too, like a black thing in the sky, like in the thing will come up, but gold, predominantly turquoise blue, white, um, yeah, all different colours. I'll see them flash. It's it's as if the consciousness that I'm communicating to are showing themselves physically and reminding me that they're always there, that they're always there. Like I can speak telepathically to my guides, and I do all the time. And they would want uh us to know that all of us can do that, that this is all a part of the awakening of consciousness, to understand. Remember, the ego gives us the illusion of separation, that we're never separate, we're a part of a team, a spiritual team that's as close to us as breathing, a quote from the team books, and that we are being communicated to all the time from our galactic guides, our spirit guides, our soul, even people that we've known as human that have passed on, dead friends and relatives, if you want to call it, and that telepathic communication is happening all the time. It said in the Seth books when I was in my twenties reading it, that humans are all operating telepathically all the time on a subconscious level, so they're not understanding that they're operating. He said, or that stream of consciousness that identified itself as Seth said, you couldn't drive on your roads if you were not. So from an unconscious understanding, we're all communicating telepathically, and the awakening of human consciousness is becoming conscious of that, like becoming aware, becoming aware that because how many thoughts do we have in a day? And we dismiss them as imagination or you know, I do we just dismiss our thoughts. We're really not listening to our thoughts. A lot of our thoughts connected to the ego, our human craving. How can I get what I want? I want this, I want to eat that, I want to go there, I want more money, I want more health, I want more followers, I want, I want, I want. So a lot of our thoughts are connected to that. But underlying those thoughts, we have this non-human intelligence communicating with us all the time. All the time. Are we aware of that? And we're all operating telepathically. You're looking at the clock. Questions?

SPEAKER_02 38:56

No, no, not at all. Um, I I I wasn't, I was actually just switching it on to gallery view so I could appear on the screen with you. Yeah, I love this conversation. Like, and I'm so in the now moment listening to you, it's amazing. Um, all these these words of wisdom that you're offering, it's it's incredible. I um I'm fascinated by you know your your own journey, you know, specifically with getting to this point. Um, out of the people that you have like interviewed on your own podcast, is there anybody that strikes you as being really memorable, somebody that changed your life very much in the same way that you know, me speaking with you, me speaking with Dr. Gale, me speaking with um even Freddie Silver, um, you know, shifted my perspective in so many different ways. Who's had that influence on you? Has there been anyone significant?

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Well, Kevin. I love Kevin because he's just so easy with what we call extraordinary or woo-woo. It's just a part of who he is. And he lives and walks the talk. As I said to you, when I had him on my show, he said he was a teenager before he realized he'd actually never had a negative thought. It's like how many negative thoughts the humans have? So he really walks that talk. Deliberate creation is about being deliberate in how we operate our minds, how we think and believe. And um and then there's another man who's a Canadian called Garnet Schulhauser, who contacted me oh over a decade ago, and he was a uh corporate lawyer. He's he he and Kevin are kind of similar in their mission here. Um, he was a corporate lawyer and he was contacted by a spirit guide who turned up as a homeless man uh on the street wanting to talk to him, and Garnet was very dismissive of him. And then this homeless man said, Well, where do you think you're going to find your answers? Are they sitting on your email, all those emails in your desk? Because Garnet had thought about things, you know, like things like the Catholic Church, is sin, is that, you know, are we born in sin? And do we have to get baptized in his cat Catholic upbringing? And his spirit guide came to answer his questions, and he appeared as a physical homeless man. So this is the malleability of consciousness as physical form because everything is energy, right? Even physical form, when you look at quantum science, says that uh everything is just energy and information spinning in this vast space, like atoms spin in this vast space around a nucleus. And so we're all energy. So when you have that master of mind, as the Arcturians talked about, you can manipulate all physical um energy, you so you can create anything. So this extraterrestrial being showed up as a smelly, filthy, disgusting homeless man and started talking to Garnet. Yeah, so long story short with Garnet is that the spirit guide who always appears to Garnet in his astral form or in his mind's eye as a smelly, filthy, unwashed homeless man, takes Garnet, and I love that. I love that because there's a lesson in that, you know, because as humans we're so judgmental. Oh yeah. And Garnet admits that he was this corporate Catholic corporate lawyer, and he would normally step over a homeless man and think to himself, get a job, you filthy, you know, like he would be judgmental. So his guide always turns up as the homeless man, has taken Garnet around the cosmos and shown him many things and asked him to write it all down in books, which he has. He has five books, and many of those things have been different worlds. Remember when I said uh I've explored many different worlds, there's many different planets out there that are human, but they have evolved into a different consciousness than where we currently stand as the human race. So there are societies out there that are matriarchal. One of the stories that Garnet said was he went to this human, very modern where there's no money, everything is ultra modern, but it was a matriarchal society instead of a patriarchal society. And he asked, why is it a matriarchal society? And they said that in their history, their ancient history, it was a patriarchal society, and the men were very violent. And then a woman found this herb that would reduce the testosterone of the men, and the men became a lot um less violent and more placid. And over many years it evolved that the human that in that human uh civilization that the women started to make all the decisions around governance of their society, but there was no dominance over another. Men could do anything they wanted to pursue anything, art, science, anything they wanted to pursue, but all the operation of that society was governed by women. All the decisions were made by women. So that was one planet that he went to. So the mind boggles, doesn't it? You know, Seth saying you create your own reality and there are no limits. Like there are no limits to what is being created and what we can tap into with our mind. Remember, when you operate through the mind, you operate outside of time. Like I said to you, I don't know if I said it on the recording. Imagine yourself on the moon. Okay, so imagine yourself on another planet in that, like, have a look. What's it like? How do they operate? Like, you can go and look, you can go and see. When September 11 happened, I was thinking about this recently. It was a long time ago. It was the day my nephew was born. He was born on the day the towers came down. But I was at home, a client had rung me and she said, Have you seen the news? Turn on the news. And you know, it was just on repeat on the television, the images. And I thought, God, look at this. What can I do to help? Let me go and see if I can help. So I projected my consciousness over there. And what I saw was this army of angels. But the angels didn't look like angels with wings. They look like firemen. They look like businessmen. They look like people that have worked in offices. And what I was shown was that this event was going to happen. And there was a lot of people that were going to die very suddenly and understand and not understand that they were dead. And so there were people that had incarnated into human lives. Some were the firemen that died, the rescuers that died trying to help people. And they had this soul plan to be of help, not only in the physical, but in the astral or in the other dimensions. And so people that were at their desk typing, and then they're dead, and they look up and they're like, don't understand they're dead. And the firemen are saying, Come with me, come with me, I'll take you where you need to go. These are like these angels taking them into this different reality and then explaining to them, you've actually left your physical body. And yes, all these army of angels that were helping all those souls that were, and it was incredible to witness that Hayden. It was just incredible. I'm like, whoa. I I thought, what can I do to help? But I didn't need to do anything to help. And again, at the end of 2019, beginning of 2020, we had the fires. You were you in Australia then? We had the fires in in the east part of Australia. And my daughter's little house she was living on a little community farm was burnt down. And it was devastating. But what was happening around the world was everyone was crying because they saw these images of the wildlife in Australia being destroyed. So there was a lot of pain amongst humanity. All the kangaroos and the koalas. There were these devastating images of burnt koalas and everyone's hearts were going out, which was kind of a part of the plan for that. It brought humanity together as they were loving the animals. So again, I said to my mob, how can I help? Or I just had this inquiry, you know, like, what's happening with the animals? Why are they being so persecuted with these flies? I'm in the shower one day and they took my consciousness up into space. And I'm looking at the bottom of a spaceship, and I it's tilted. I don't know why it was tilted, but that's what I'm looking at. And I'm just looking at the bottom of it, and I'm going, oh my God, I didn't understand how beautiful they are. So this was a massive spaceship, and I'm not seeing it with my outside eyes. I'm in the shower and I'm witnessing this with my consciousness. And then they took me inside the ship, and I was in this pristine environment, this lit environment that was smooth and white and glorious. And I saw these grays and they were holding the marsupials. They were holding koalas and different marsupials. And the message was don't worry, we have all the DNA. These animals cannot go extinct. Because people were worried because they're um, you know, the koalas are uh and kangaroos are only in Australia, and so if they all die, you know, they're worried about extinction. They said, We've got all the DNA of all these koalas, but they said to me, We have actually picked some up and rescued them, and we'll put them back after the fires. So don't worry. So they just gave me this experience, and it was so funny watching these greys in this like really smooth white environment holding these fluffy, sort of grey-brown animals. It was such a contrast between their smooth skin and that smooth environment, and then these fluffy animals, it was sort of bizarre.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Yeah, I love hearing that, and it makes you feel you know that we are being watched and that we are being looked after. Yeah, we are being protected and that everything is in divine order, you know, nothing is out of place, everything is perfect the way that it is. And thank you for sharing that story about you know the uh people that crossed during 9-11. I think that you know, uh how you explained that you know, many of the angels had incarnated in human form as the businessmen and the firemen makes perfect sense to me that that's how they would have been there to support those people. Um and it actually triggered a memory that I had uh when you were talking about that of when I was at my lowest ebb and I was in uh Sydney. Uh I'd come over as a really bad backpacker uh to Australia in 2000, and um I had overstayed my visa and I was broke and I I had no I was homeless and I was in Darling Harbour. And um I met a a girl um on the bridge in Darling Harbour who was homeless and and she um I knew that who she was was something different to uh you know just like a like a homeless girl who'd lost she was telling me that she'd lost her mother and a grandmother. They they jumped off um uh this this I think it's called the gap or the the rocks or the edge or something like that in Sydney. Both her mother and her grandmother had had committed suicide there and she described that she might do the same thing. But with me meeting her on that day, there was this surreal energy that was around us as you know, because we were there all night together just talking on the bridge. She helped me to realise that my situation, although it was pretty bleak, um was just a a fraction of what she was experiencing. So now I feel like you know, I've that's confirmed that she was um you know an angel, an earth angel that had come in to be able to to help during that time. And I think that you know who knows, she may have even been a galactic being, she may have been somebody there that was to protect me during a very vulnerable time of my own life. Do you do you feel like that they will come in at when people are going through their worst possible time? Or can they come in when we are rejoicing in the best part of our lives as well?

SPEAKER_01 51:02

They're always here. It's it's interesting. You say it was it an angel or was it a galactic being? And what they want to say to you is there's no difference. We see from our social conditioning and specifically religious conditioning, we compartmentalite all this. It's consciousness. Remember, God doesn't create the heavens and the earth or the planets, God creates the sparks of consciousness. So we all come from the one spark of consciousness. There's no separation between angel and E.T. We're all sparks of consciousness experiencing different experiences. This spark of consciousness is experiencing Karen in 2026, talking to Hayden with another spark of consciousness, experiencing Hayden as a human, having an expansive conversation on a podcast show, and other sparks of consciousness are angels, and others are ETs. It's all one phenomena. But as humans, we say, was it an angel or a demon or an ET? You know, because that's the conditioning we have. And they want to say it's all consciousness and it's all being created, and your consciousness, your perception or perspective gives you the ability to experience or create what you want to experience. And yes, we are being guided and looked after. It this earth school is particularly hard because of the level of density that we choose to engage in, and we are never alone on this journey, that spark of consciousness, being our higher self, who has is multidimensional, who has been a Palladian in a high society in the year 4,000, 5000, or has been a Viking on Earth. You know, that same information is guiding us, or our angelic, that that angelic energy, that spark of consciousness that's connected to our higher self is that agreement with sparks of consciousness that that they would stay in that all that is, that all-knowing infinite intelligence, and always be connected to us as a spark of consciousness that is under the illusion or the veil of forgetfulness having a human life experience. But we're still connected, they're with us all the time, and sometimes they show up as physical, smelly homeless men that ask you why you're here on earth, and then take you around the cosmos and show you all these things, and sometimes they show up as other humans, um, and sometimes they can manifest themselves. I remember Howard Storm when he was on my show. He had a near-death experience in which became very famous, and he became very sick in Paris when he's in his 30s, he's in his 70s or even 80s now. And he said a doctor walked into the room and reassured him. And just as he was walking out, a nurse walked in and he said to the nurse, Who was that doctor that was just in here? And she said, There was no one in here. You know, they can turn up as physical human beings that we can touch and talk to, and we're talking to an infinite intelligence, a higher intelligence that's manifesting in a human form. Is it an angel? Is it an ET? Yes. It's like, what's the agreement you have with that spark of consciousness? Like, what's the agreement that you have as you're leading out your physical life? And what else do you want to experience? When you asked me who's blown my mind, how Garnet blew my mind, was his guide took him to speak to a lot of sparks of consciousness that were incarnate as what we as humans called myths, like fairies and um gnomes and leprechauns and susquatch and mermaids and all these things that are in our stories that we call fairy tales or myths. It's like it's not true, it's not true. It's just we're making stuff up. Sure, we're making stuff up. Who's to say that when we make stuff up, it doesn't become manifest as a reality? Remember, you get to create your own reality and there are no limits. Like, where are the rules there that says that's true and that's not true? So he's having this experience with his spirit guide of talking to these beings that exist in this earth dimension but in a different frequency, like the elemental realm where fairies and the earth elementals exist. So the Sasquatch have the ability to shift their frequency and they phase out of our visual spectrum, so we can't see them. They're still physically here on earth, but their physical energy vibration is vibrating at a different frequency. They now become invisible to us, and they're visibly in another spectrum where they can see the elementals, the fairies, and all the elementals that are tending to the nature of planet Earth. So my mind was blown away when Garnet made me understand that what we call as myth is actually all a part of our truth and a part of our reality. We're living and walking side by side with these realities. It's not off planet, it's on planet. And that really opened my mind even more. So he was one of the ones, like as I say, over a decade ago, and I started to contemplate life differently. I'm going to have a conversation with someone on my show about dragons. Again, myth. Like who's to say dragons were a myth? Did they physically exist on planet Earth as physical dragons? Do reptilians still live on Earth in their physical form? Are they living under the earth as some people say? Uh, you know, there are reptilians living in inner earth. Who's to say that any of that is not true? If you can think it, it's true because uh there are no limits to reality.

SPEAKER_02 56:58

So, what can humanity do to be able to lose these limited uh perceptions or belief systems uh so that they can start uh thinning the veil or perceiving these more mystical landscapes?

SPEAKER_01 57:14

Well, humanity does doesn't have to do anything. What can the individual do to be a part of that shift? Well, you're doing it. You know, you have a spiritual awakening, you become a healer, you start a podcast show, you go on TikTok, you know, you're doing it. Humanity at large, if you're a soul that's here at this time, you have agreed to be here during the shift, and then we have free will, right? So you have an opportunity to expand your awareness or your consciousness or your perceptual experience, and you can say yes or no. I had a friend whose partner died the other day, and I was talking to her partner, and he asked me to tell her I'm right beside her. I haven't left her because she's like, He's left me, he's left me, he's left me. She's in the group. So I rang her up and she doesn't believe any of this stuff. And so she's giving me all her story about how devastated she was, how terrible in the hospital. Yeah, there's a story, and then he's pressuring me. Tell her I'm right beside her, I'm right beside her. So I tell her, and she just totally rejects it. That's free will. So it can come to us and we can go, nope, and we can die, never having experienced that expansion in our consciousness. And that's that's the choice we make, right? So there were people that will never um accept the invitation, and then they'll die and they'll have a life review and they'll go, Don't I was going to open to a more expansive experience and I didn't. Let me come back, I'll try again, you know, like, and then there are people that'll accept the invitation and expand, and they'll go so far and they'll bump up against their limitations, and some will go, and you know, the ones that go really out there. I had a friend who died at 36, who gave me an incredible experience of the afterlife. Uh, she used to sit on the end of my bed in her astral form, and when I'd fall asleep at night and wake up and kind of come out of my body, there she'd be, and we'd go off and have fun. What was I gonna say about her? Um, I've gone blank now. I went absolutely blank. I was in that image of her sitting on the end of my bed in her astral form when she was dead.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

It'll come back.

SPEAKER_01 59:17

It'll come back, it will. It'll come back.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

It will. So, okay then. So if we go back then, maybe to um the teachings of um the ETs that you have specifically connected with, what is that one of their main teachings that they want to offer us during this part of the Earth's timeline?

SPEAKER_01 59:39

What your beliefs create your reality. Your beliefs create your reality, um, and to learn to be more deliberate with your thinking. So, what we do as humans, life happens. We are co-creating it, but someone cuts us off in traffic, someone lies to us. Thanks for the reminder. Uh, someone does something terrible to us, and all we want to do is get revenge and hate them and you know, do unto them as they have done unto us. Like we've had spiritual teachers that have walked the earth that have told us about this stuff for thousands of years, uh in the form of Muhammad and Abraham and Buddha and Jesus, and you know, they all were talking about how our mind, our beliefs create our reality. And again, free will enables us to reject those teachings, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, because everything is energy, and what energy you project comes back. Law of attraction. And when you understand that you are the creator of your reality, then you start to think about how you're creating that. People think I'm gonna learn about law of attraction so I can get what I want. As if it doesn't operate in their life, and when they learn about it, then it's gonna start operating. And again, the guides hold their bellies and laugh, you know, they roll over laughing when we entertain concepts like that. They think we're so hilarious because we are already operating in a system where we're creating our reality, and if we don't like what we see, change your mind, change your life. So they have such understanding or knowing of this, that they, as I said, they can manifest as a physical form that that spark of consciousness can show up as a smelly homeless man, and you can touch him and hug him and smell him. So all the physical senses are engaged and dematerialize that energy form and be, you know, back as an orb because they understand creation, that everything is energy and that we are the molders of that energy. We are creating, we're creating this life. Uh, for the most part, humans do not understand that at all. And it's a new physics too, it's all science-based. And just like mind travels outside of time, if you can imagine yourself standing on Mars or standing on the moon or being on Venus or being in the middle of the sun, like all those things that I said, you can imagine it instantly, instantly, instantly, instantly. Like that's how fast we can create with mind, but then we don't give that any importance because what we give importance to, what we give belief to in this time-space matrix, in this buffer of time, in this density that we currently are inhabiting, which is a slower frequency, thought manifests slower, and what we give importance to manifests, and what we dismiss doesn't. So the more energy we give to a thought, the more emotion we give to a thought, whether it's negative or positive emotion, the more quickly stuff manifests in this time space matrix and this time space reality. So the ETs tell us that that is the most, like that is the evolution of the human consciousness. That's the most important thing that we understand. Because as humans, we play victim, we pay victim to each other's, we pay victim to the weather, we play victim to the ETs, they're gonna come down and kill us. Like 90% of the Hollywood movies or movies in general about ETs have been about are fear-based that they're gonna come and destroy us or take over or control us. So we're wrapped in a matrix of fear. And when you understand that you're the creator of your reality, fear doesn't become a part of your reality because you're creating it. So what have you got to be afraid of? Your own thoughts? Then clean up your thoughts because you're creating it, you're creating it, you and your soul. And a lot of people say, This terrible thing happened to me. I lost a leg, I was in an accident, I had a near-death experience, I was my husband died. These terrible things, I would never have created that. But on some level, you did, because your soul makes a plan before you come to earth and says, in order to expand my consciousness, I'm going to bump up against contrast, it's going to knock me out of my patent, habitual patent belief. I'm going to start asking different questions. So we call that spiritual awakening. When mum gets sick, I'm still a selfish teenager thinking, God, I wish Mum wasn't so sick. It's interrupting my social life. But when she dies, knocking me out of that pattern of being a selfish teenager, I'm now asking different questions. What happens when you die? And does do we go on? And if we do, then what's that place? And if there's a place, it must be a place that we were at before we were here. Like it's not like we only go to that place when we die. We must have been there before we came here. So I'm asking these questions, and that devastating experience called death has initiated those questions, which has put me on my path, and that was my soul plan. So the ego would say, I would never have wanted that to happen, but the soul says, This is exactly what I wanted to experience. And so we're creating from both an ego perspective and a soul perspective. And when we align our ego with our soul perspective, we become masterful creators.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

That's so true. I love that. And I think that you know, you talk about beliefs creating your experiences. For many people that I work with, you know, it's uh they're not even aware of what beliefs that they hold that are creating this chaos within their lives. So, you know, how do the ETs suggest that we become more familiar with our limiting beliefs in the first place? Do we have to always go through experiences that wake us up to what those limiting beliefs are that could be No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:41

Spiritual awakening does not have to be traumatic. In today's society, where we have podcast shows and internets and books, and you know, we can listen to someone's experience and then we can start saying, Oh, I wonder how that works in my life. I want, I'd like to experience that. Oh, I want to know how to leave my body. I want to learn how to be uh an expert astral travel. I want to go to other realms in my consciousness and come back and remember that. Like Garnet was given the opportunity. This is what I thought was really funny. His spirit guide gave him the opportunity to astrally travel and have full memory where he when he comes back, so he could write it in books. And on my first show with him, I said, So how did you um how did you create that? And he said, I didn't. It was just given to me as a part of the operating system for my plan to be the writer of these books to help humanity. Um and yet he became a um hypnotherapist, uh Dolores' canon, H H H Q H H T, yeah. QH Yeah. And he said um in one of my shows with him that he couldn't be hypnotized. So being hypnotized is that ability to relax and get out of the thinking mind and drop your brain frequency from a um beta, alpha, and to a theta. Like I think it's beta is the thinking mind, alpha is the memory mind, where you have access to memory, it's a more relaxed, and then theta is where you have access to your subconscious programming, your belief systems, and your superconscious, like the like what your soul, like Einstein said, I want to know the thoughts of God, the rest are details. So coming into that theta, even delta brainwave gives you access to the thoughts of God or your soul. And how do you become aware? Well, you can watch a podcast show and start listening to what you believe. And you have an emotional guidance system, which is the frequency attached to thought, much like a frequency attached to light gives you sight, and the frequency attached to sound gives you hearing, and the frequency attached to um touch, to touch, you know, gives you the experience of touch, but everything's energy and frequency, and you're having these perceptual experiences through the apparatus of the physical form, and we also have the perceptual experience of what we're thinking or believing to be true because it's connected to a frequency we call the motion. So when we're thinking a thought that's in alignment with our soul, we feel good, and when we're thinking a thought that is out of alignment with what our soul wants and what our ego wants, we feel bad. And the worse we feel, that frequency, that feedback loop, that feedback system is informing us to what we believe to be true, and so we have an opportunity when we're feeling bad to ask, what is it that I'm believing to be true? I'm not good enough, I'm alone, nobody loves me, I'm not important, nobody respects me, nobody listens to me, I can't get what I want. And with that awareness, as you said, how do we become aware of our belief systems? Now we have an opportunity to change that. And we can do that a million ways. We can go and have a session with you and all those beautiful colors behind you, you can have a hypnotherapy session, you can have a Reiki session. Drugs aren't going to do it. You can you can meditate, I find the best way. You can do guided meditations, you go to Scott Stargate experiences, and you know, there's so much on the planet now that's that's offering us the opportunity to become aware of what we believe and to change and transmute and transform our operating system so that we can be more deliberate in our creation and more powerful beings having the access to our powerful mind and our focus and our attention. And yeah, the sky's the limit, Hayden. The sky's the limit. There's no limit. The sky's not the limit. There's no limit to what we can create. It's like just what do you want and what do you believe is possible? Because a lot of people want a lot of stuff, but they don't actually believe it's possible, at least not for them. Like I want to I want to talk telepathically or talk to my spirit guides or talk to my dead mother, but I can't do it because I'm not special, I'm not psychic, I don't know how to. And again, these are all beliefs, they're not truth. It's just but you belief creates a reality. So when people do courses with me about expanding their psychic ability, all I do is just help them uh um untangle those limiting beliefs about themselves that says, I don't know how to do it, or I can't do it, or I'm not special, or I'm not psychic. And it's like we're all psychic. Every being that hits the planet operates only through psychic ability before the physical senses come online. Like every baby is in complete telepathic communication with its mother, and that stays that way probably through life, but it gets weaker as we start to rely and operate through our physical senses, and we start to take our attention and our powerful focus away from our psychic or intuitive senses.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

Yeah. That's beautiful. I love that, and thank you very much for articulating that so perfectly as well. It's great to get the reminders, I think, of you know how simple it can all be if we just remember our sovereignty. And I think that's what it's all about right now. I think that's the nexus point that we've all reached. It's that remembrance. And I I um I genuinely believe that um, you know, a lot of the stuff Bashar says actually, um, where he talks about become aware of your beliefs, find your passion, you know, and he's got that five, that five um step protocol that he gets you to follow. I buy into that a hundred percent because it it's just logical. And then eventually we have this reunion with our cosmic families in whatever way, shape, or form that takes. And it and I believe that it will be different for everybody because we all have a different basis or foundation of you know our cultural beliefs or or whatever, much in the same way that when people cross over, they will experience Yeshua. Uh some some people will, and others will experience Buddha or Krishna, and maybe Yeshua will appear with blue eyes or brown eyes or long hair or brown hair, or all of it, it's correct. But it's just you know, that overlay, that sort of it's almost like a uh he's a he's a busy dude, that yeshua.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:14

You know, there's a book called The Tai of a Prophecy, which is another one of my favorites. Uh, a man called Samuel Chong reached out to me a while ago to talk about his meeting the author and the and talk about the book. And what was really interesting is I'd heard about the book 20 years before, and people have friends that said, You've got to read it, you've got to read it. And I'm like, oh, another bloody book. Yeah, I'll get around to it. But when I did get around to reading it, I just, you know, it blew my mind. When I say blow my mind, it's like a remembrance. It's like you you know you know it, but you didn't know it. Like you didn't know it before you knew it, and then but you always you knew you always knew it. Kind of weird, right? And so it sort of blinds, it blows your mind because I've always known this stuff, but I've never thought about this stuff. Like I didn't know I knew this. And it talks about Yeshua coming from a ninth category planet. So he's a spark of consciousness choosing to have an incarnation on what is called a ninth category planet. We could call them E.T. or aliens or whatever we want to call them, who are physical beings. They are nine foot tall, hermaphroditic physical beings. So they're both female and male. So that that illusion of separation is a little less on their planet because they haven't even separated the sexes. You know, there's no male and female, they're both physically male and feel they're hermaphrodites, and they have complete uh control or agility with their mental capacity in that they can levitate, they do have some technology, their vehicle where they create an energy bubble and they can kind of look like Superman. You know, Superman comes from this planet where they can, you know, fly. So these beings can fly with their technology, they create this energy bubble. Amazing, amazing book, but it talks about Yeshua, who we call Jesus, being an E.T. who came to earth to teach humanity about the powers of creation and their belief systems and their power to you know get what they want to teach, to teach spirituality, which was turned into spirituality and then religion, and that in fact there were two Yeshua's, there were two Jesuses, one that was born of the physical Mary, the DNA, like many of the DNA, like our DNA and many of the children that are here, like DNA has been tweaked over time, humanity, but they tweaked the DNA so that he'd have a higher consciousness. He his physical form could hold a higher consciousness, and he was the one born to Mary. But when he went off into the desert to meditate, according to the Bible, he just kept traveling and they created this physical form on their planet of a different DNA structure, but a human form. And then a consciousness, a spark of consciousness, inhabited that form and it came in as the Yeshua or the Jesus that was administering the teachings and that was crucified on the cross. And so all those things that were called miracles is what these beings could do on their planet. They had the power of manifestation to turn water into wine and the fishes and the loaves and all that stuff that are miracles and like the holies of holies, and like, oh, you know, is kind of like their normal operating system on their ninth category planet. But to us, we're a one-category planet, we're a first category planet. That is like we attribute it to miracles and holy, and then we give it to scripture, and you know, religion gets a hold of it and makes it holier than holy, but they don't have religion on other planets because they understand the one mind and they understand it's all physics and science, and they understand that it's awareness and an operating system, and so what we call holy and miracles to them is just normal a way of living. So, yeah, we're all you know, the the religious power brokers, the power breakers of our religious systems were all these higher consciousness beings from you know different dimensions and different planets that incarnated on earth to help humanity along in their evolutionary process. They were E.T.s. Jesus was an alien. So again, blurring that line, it's all consciousness. Yeah, it's all consciousness. And I it's funny when people say God created heaven and God created the earth. So what did God look like? God looked like a council of E.T.s. Some were mantises, some were reptilians, some were grays, some were Arcturian and Palladians and from different category planets, and some were aqua beings who came together and said, Let's create another planet. And they created this planet and put different consciousness and different life forms on this planet. And we call that council God, and we attribute it to religion or spirituality, but in actual fact, they're ETs.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:54

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's the the chariot of the gods, isn't it? Right. It really is. It's amazing, and it's a great reminder, you know, Karen. I think you uh you have a very um profound way of being able to summarize a lot of information very succinctly and connect it all together um uh and and help people to uh anchor that frequency uh within their bodies. So I love that this conversation. I could literally talk to you for hours and hours and hours.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:23

We run out of time, haven't we?

SPEAKER_02 1:17:25

Well, we can always readjourn at a later date, I think Karen is uh is the answer to that. But you know, your from your personal ET experience and your insights on consciousness and guidance for starseeds, you know, there's so much there, I think, that you've addressed that's going to inspire uh people to continue on their cosmic journeys.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:43

I know you have a question, your guidance for starseeds. And what I would say to people is reach out to that intelligence, ask it to introduce itself to you. Um, know that your thoughts, you know, are a part of your soul talking to you, your imagination. I remember being in bed one night with my ex-husband who says, Do you talk to ETs? And I go, Yeah, all the time. And they he said, Can you talk to one now? And I said, Yeah. And I had in my third eye this image of an Arcturian who are bald and very tall and very skinny, but they have clothes on. They've been depicted. I've seen them in, I've seen them drawn. I'm like, that's what I saw. And it held out this energy orb, it kind of looked like he was holding a mini sun. And he said, Here you go, play with this. And so in my mind's eye, I accepted this energy orb, and I told my husband that was what I was experiencing. And then I had a friend and we used to practice healing on each other. He was a healer, I was a healer. And I said, I I want to do something with you today. Um, will you indulge me? He goes, sure. I said, I'm not gonna tell you what I'm doing, I'm just gonna do it, and I just want you to tell me what you're experiencing. So I took this golden energy orb that I was given in my imagination. Let's call it imagination, right? Because I know people think, is it real? Is it imagination? It's all creation in my mind's eye, and mentally I put this golden energy orb in his base chakra, right? I thought, I'll put it at the base of the spine. And I thought, they've given me this technology. I don't really know what it was. I didn't ask too many questions. Let me just play with it. They said, Here you go, play with this. And then I asked him, What are you experiencing? He said, Heat, heat, heat, heat, heat. I said, What's happening here? It's moving, it's moving. I said, Where is it? He said, Well, you know, my base chakra. I said, What's happening? He's it's moving, it's moving up my body, it's moving up. And so it was like they gave me this energy technology and they said, Play with it. It was so much fun. And I started playing with it with him and didn't tell him. And I just, you know, so what I would say to Sassi is play with it. Talk to your mob, talk to your guides, talk to your galactic family, talk to your soul family or soul tribe. And whatever questions you have, they will answer and ask them if you have need healing, ask them for some technology for healing. If you want to create a different reality, ask them to help you with your thoughts and your belief systems. Like just reach out and speak to the wisdom within. And it will answer you. Yeah. You're not alone. Speak to the wisdom within. Reach out with your mind, like reach out with your mind, and you're not alone. You might be sensitive, you might feel like you don't belong, you know, all the cries of the star seeds, you might feel different. But you have elected to be here for the evolution of human consciousness, and you are here for a reason. I had an email the other day. I'm 60, and I still don't know why I'm here. I've always felt like I've never belonged. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that. You know, I I don't know why I'm here. I've always felt like I never belonged. But in truth, none of us belong here. This planet Earth. We all come from spirit, we all come from source, and this planet earth is an experience that our soul is having. Whether we're having an experience on Earth or on Sirius, you know, on like another planet. I'm looking for names of planets. We all come from source. We're all sparks of consciousness that are electing to have different experiences in different dimensions and different densities. There's your little one down there.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:11

There they are, yes. They they they they're they've obviously got a good timer, timing mechanism. They're like, right, it's time to go. They uh no, they're they're they're little Syrians, I think. You know, Syrians. Yeah, bless the hearts. And you know, thank you again for um ruh uh helping us to remember this as well, you know. And I love that story uh with your uh with your guide, your Arcturian guide offering you uh the golden sphere um uh and and helping to rem remind I did that with my cat.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:42

I put a little golden sphere inside its heart the other day, and it started vomiting up all this frothy saliva, and I thought, damn, the thing's gonna die. And um, and then he was running around the next morning all perky and smiley. Yeah, like it's amazing what we can do when we open our minds. Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:58

And you know, I get the golden sphere thing. I I've been playing with the golden sphere for a while. Yeah, so I know I know that works. It's amazing. I find myself inside that golden sphere. I know. But whenever I'm um trying to manifest, you know, I'll just put myself in the centre of it, and then I'll just set uh an intention and and then I sort of go back into the body. And it's it's amazing, you know, how you know how much then you can hands off for the rest of the day because the wheels have you know have been set in motion, and you're just like, oh okay, you know, I've handed it over to my spiritual team. I uh I then just have to go into action enjoy and uh and the rest will follow. So um yeah, it's well darling one.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:38

It's been a pleasure to meet you. Thanks, Kevin, for introducing us. Kevin, who's who's born in the UK, lives in Florida, has introduced to you know, you who's born in the UK living in Australia. It's amazing. I love it, you know, how we're so you ask fantastic questions. You're really good at this, Hayden.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:52

Oh, thank you so much. Well, so are you, you're amazing. And so, where can people find you then, Karen? If you know, for anyone who's watching this, where do they best contact you if they want to um either become a guest on your podcast or if they want to have a session with you or webs website karenswain.com.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:10

You'll see my name, carenswain.com. Um, YouTube is um Karen Swain Blissful Beings, and the show, the podcast show is called ATP Media Accentuate the Positive. But we do another show on a Wednesday in the States on a Thursday morning here in Australia called Elevate, where myself and Kristen, a friend of mine, get on there and we talk about all sorts of different topics. So it's not an interview show like this, it's not a discussion, conversational show, although we do have conversations, but we pick a topic. We're doing a healing one this Thursday. Uh, hopefully we are, because I've got workmen working outside. They've been really quiet during this, so thank you. And hopefully they'll be quiet on Thursday because they're doing lots of stuff outside. And um, and then the shows are on a Sunday afternoon night in the UK and a Monday morning live, so you can join the live stream and ask questions, and also the elevate shows you can join if you just go to YouTube, Rumble Odyssey, and um yeah, we're all over the place. Facebook Lives, but Facebook's now, when you do a live, they take it off after 28 days or 30 days, they delete it, so it doesn't stay on there. So the best place. So there are literally hundreds of shows that I've done over the years, and um, you'll find most of them on my website and uh different platforms. Yeah, KarenSwain.com, YouTube, Facebook. If you put in AccentuateThe Positive, Karen Swain, AccentuateThePositive, you'll find my profile on Facebook. And yeah, reach out, say hi.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:36

Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's uh it's fantastic. I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation today. Thanks once again. Uh, don't forget to like, subscribe, and follow to Dream Time Academy on YouTube as well. And uh yeah, we'll catch you next time around. The universe is always sending guidance if you're ready to receive it. Bye for now.